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marosmith
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Posted Sat Dec 21, 2013, 8:35pm
Subject: La Cimbali M29 Selectron vs. Nuova Simonelli Aurelia
 

I am looking to buy one of these machines for a small church coffee shop.

I can get these for about the same price, both are about 7-8 years old.

What would you recommend?

This shop will be run by a mixture of novice and a few experienced baristas. It will be open once or twice per week.

Of importance is ease of use, and durability of the machine.

The Nuova is appealing for the consistency of shots, especially with the mixture of baristas we will have.

I feel like the selectron is likely the more durable and true machine, no?

Thanks for your thoughts.
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Posted Mon Dec 23, 2013, 1:13am
Subject: Re: La Cimbali M29 Selectron vs. Nuova Simonelli Aurelia
 

From my personal experience, consistency in shots depends explicitly on the experience and consistency of the barista and grinder alone. I wouldn't worry too much about either machine. I owned a La Cimbali M29. I loved everything about the machine including the durability and ease of use. I really liked the knobs and the thickness of the steam wands. It was a great overall machine, and I wish I hadn't sold it. Unfortunately it was way too big on my small coffee cart, so I sold it and purchased a single group Nuova Simonelli Mac Digit. I cant say much about the Aurelia as I have never used one, but I think either brand would be a fine purchase. From my experience with espresso machine repair, I would purchase what is easier to repair or more familiar to espresso techs in your area since you will be servicing them on a regular basis.

Hope this helps.
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Posted Mon Dec 23, 2013, 7:49pm
Subject: Re: La Cimbali M29 Selectron vs. Nuova Simonelli Aurelia
 

Hi,
I don't see why you would feel one is going to be more consistent than the other, they are both volumetric dosed commercial machines, pretty much on a par with each other. I own a M32 and an ECM but not a N.S. They all are commercial machines and use many of the same parts inside. Pretty much, as above the one you should get is the one that can be serviced locally. I suspect though that being used, most likely, either will be just fine. As with anything used, the care it has had over it's life is more important than who made it.

You WILL NEED AN ESPRESSO ABLE GRINDER, A COMMERCIAL GRINDER WILL BE NEED IN YOUR SETTING. This is because, home duty grinders are not designed to operate like they would be need to operate in a commercial setting and they will also need to be NSF rated, as I am sure that your city has sanitation laws to comply with.

As always, you will need FRESH beans, that is under two weeks FROM THE DAY THEY WERE ROASTED, you can not use stale beans from a commercial food service outlet or whole sale house.

Operator training will be needed and that is your weakest link I see in the situation you described. Before you can get quality out, you need to have people who know what they are doing. You would not expect home cooks, (no matter how good) to turn out 5 star quality food for 100 people at a time without training, would you?

 
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Posted Mon Dec 23, 2013, 8:51pm
Subject: Re: La Cimbali M29 Selectron vs. Nuova Simonelli Aurelia
 

calblacksmith Said:

As always, you will need FRESH beans, that is under two weeks FROM THE DAY THEY WERE ROASTED, you can not use stale beans from a commercial food service outlet or whole sale house.

Posted December 23, 2013 link

I am very lucky to have easy access to a place that roasts fresh, and it truly is mind blowing the difference between fresh and what you buy at the grocery store. It's not even in the same world. Now that i know a bit about espresso it is so disappointing to walk into small italian cafe's, where they have the right equipment, but stale beans and just dont even know what to do with it. A good machine does not equal good espresso.
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marosmith
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Posted Mon Dec 23, 2013, 11:37pm
Subject: Re: La Cimbali M29 Selectron vs. Nuova Simonelli Aurelia
 

We ended up getting the Aurelia. My understanding is the temperature control is slightly better than similar machines and the soft pre-infusion is helpful as well.

And yes we are located near Portland and always have plenty access to fresh beans and we have 3 commercial grinders.

Thanks.
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Drip: Msl. Com. brewers
Roaster: gave it a try, decided no
Posted Mon Dec 23, 2013, 11:57pm
Subject: Re: La Cimbali M29 Selectron vs. Nuova Simonelli Aurelia
 

Congrats on the machine.
Either would have been just fine, not a big deal either way.

OH, the commercial grinders are for ESPRESSO, right? Non espresso grinders can NOT grind for espresso. Just saying.

 
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Posted Tue Dec 24, 2013, 7:43am
Subject: Re: La Cimbali M29 Selectron vs. Nuova Simonelli Aurelia
 

A good quality espresso grinder really make a machine like the NS shine.  A good grinder is worth every penny you pay for it and it will probably take several pennies...
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