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bcx
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Posted Sun Dec 22, 2013, 6:43pm
Subject: Upgrading from Mypressi
 

Hi,

I've been using a Mypressi and a Bellman stovetop steamer and I'm not satisfied with the latter's ability to steam milk for cappuccinos. I'm looking to take it to the next level and from what I can tell a $500 machine won't cut it so I'm okay with spending more to make my life easier. Can anyone recommend a machine around $800 that will fit my needs?

- I have a Preciso grinder so hopefully this budget can go all towards the espresso machine
- mainly make cappuccinos and I get frustrated steaming with the Bellman so dual boiler would be nice
- I would appreciate a good steam wand (or easily replaceable to a good steam wand, no-burn, 4-holes?)
- hope the shot is at least as decent as the Mypressi
- I usually just make two cups per session, probably would never make more than 4 at a time
- if there's a machine slightly over my budget that's far superior, I might consider that

Any suggestions appreciated.
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weebit_nutty
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Posted Sun Dec 22, 2013, 11:58pm
Subject: Re: Upgrading from Mypressi
 

Try a frothing wand before you dump a crap load of money on a new setup just because your unhappy with the steam performance of a stove-top steamer, although the Bellman's are known performers in this area.  So perhaps you might want to practice more? It's really not that hard with the right instruction.

That is, of course, you're actually looking for a reason to upgrade.. ;)
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bcx
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Posted Mon Dec 23, 2013, 6:39am
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Do you mean replacing the wand on the Bellman? I didn't think that was possible. Also I think the steamer I have is the original the Bellman is based off. The knob for the steam and the wand angle are not friendly to making microfoam.

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Posted Mon Dec 23, 2013, 8:02am
Subject: Re: Upgrading from Mypressi
 

If you are happy with everything but foam, I would probably get a used krupps steam driven espresso machine at a thrift store or garage sale and use that for foam for like 10$ or less.  If I were you, I would upgrade my grinder first, you will never be sorry you upgraded your grinder.  Your grinder should be fine, but trust me the Vario is so much better and my K30 is so much better than my vario W.  (except I miss the grind by weight feature, I wish I was smart enough to mod it to grind by weight)

If you are set on upgrading, new CC1 or a used Oscar would be in your price range.

 
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bcx
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Posted Mon Dec 23, 2013, 8:24am
Subject: Re: Upgrading from Mypressi
 

I've thought about getting a lesser machine just for the steaming capabilities but counterspace is also an issue there.

As for the grinder, I would consider upgrading to a Vario in the future but I would probably never go higher than that for my personal use at home. My Preciso works for me right now and I'm not ready to give it up just yet.

I'll take a look at the CC1 and Oscar options. Thanks!
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Posted Mon Dec 23, 2013, 9:01am
Subject: Re: Upgrading from Mypressi
 

Yes, if you are happy with the Mypressi, just limit yourself to invetstingating different froth/steam options.
No mater what you buy (inexpensive lever, HX, DB), you are just asking for a whole new learning curve to get back to the shots you are now currently enjoying, while you may or may not be happier with the steaming.

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Posted Wed Dec 25, 2013, 3:43am
Subject: Re: Upgrading from Mypressi
 

bcx Said:

Do you mean replacing the wand on the Bellman? I didn't think that was possible. Also I think the steamer I have is the original the Bellman is based off. The knob for the steam and the wand angle are not friendly to making microfoam.

Posted December 23, 2013 link

When I said 'frothing wand' I meant of the double-A variety, eg. Aerolatte. The cheaper the better, actually.  If you can get your hands on a $4 Ikea frothing wand, they are actually better than then $20 Aerolatte which have a heavier whisk and therefore slower and less efficient.

I have used frothing wands for quite some time in conjunction with the MyPressi before moved on to lever machines.  Frothing wands make gorgeous, creamy microfoam.. as good as (if not better than) most commercial-grade espresso machines.

Just nuke your milk in the microwave for a minute before frothing.    Keep in mind there *is* some technique to it. You can't just plunk it in and turn it on. Doing so will just spin the milk round and round.   Similar to steam-frothing techniques, you need to aerate the milk for a couple of seconds, and then submerge and let it run.  The whisk will break up the air bubbles finer and finer the longer you let it run.  The milk will simply get creamier and creamier.

Here's a video demonstrating how to properly froth milk with a typical frothing wand that uses two AA batteries.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Fslq1PEMf8

Remember, there's a huge out of pocket cost to jump from MyPressi to a machine that can make espresso of equal or better quality.  So far my shots on the MyPressi have yet to be matched, although I admit I think I'm getting close with my Cremina '67.
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bcx
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Posted Wed Dec 25, 2013, 8:50am
Subject: Re: Upgrading from Mypressi
 

I've never tried a frothing wand but I do have the plunger variety of a milk frother. Microwaving milk doesn't seem to yield the same taste as steaming it though. Perhaps I could get a frothing wand and steam my milk using the Bellman, then using the frothing wand afterwards.
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