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kvCafe
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Posted Wed Jan 22, 2014, 6:49am
Subject: Gaggia New Baby or Used Kitchen Aid Proline - Bison vs Deer...
 

Hi folks,

So, my old Krups veteran espresso machine is broken. I managed to pull good cups of coffee with days of refining my tricks and techniques with it.
I am now able to buy a new espresso machine but since my budget is very limited, I am trying to keep it as low as possible.

NEED: Macchiato every morning double shot. 1-2 per day
BUDGET: Lower end around $200 (I know it's not a lot but I am currently paying $40,000 a year for college tuition out of pocket)
CHOICES: Refurbished Gaggia New Baby ($160) vs Used KitchenAid Proline Espresso ($117 included shipping).  

The catch is that the KitchenAid Proline is being sold in an aunction AS IS, so there are high chances that it would have some issues.
The detail pictures of the USED KitchenAid Proline can be seen at: http://www.shopgoodwill.com/viewItem.asp?ItemID=15270994

Judging by the pictures, it has some cosmetic wear and tear but over all still in very good prestine shape. Also it is ironically from Portland, Or so I hope those people know how to take care of their machines, lol! If the Kitchen Aid Proline works or even need a little bit of fix, I wonder if it would be worth the risk to buy it over the Gaggia since the New Baby is the entry level type of machine while the KitchenAid has dual boiler and better build.

I know it is a deer to bison decision type of situation but I m really indecisive in this case.
Please give me some opinions because I need coffee to live every morning haha!

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Posted Wed Jan 22, 2014, 7:04am
Subject: Re: Gaggia New Baby or Used Kitchen Aid Proline
 

That Proline is long out of production but it was made by Gaggia and we have many people who love that brand and can help, there is even a Gaggia support group to hook into.

Much better built???? well, I guess you may see it that way, it is a double  boiler though there have been problems with switches etc and the boilers are very small.

You NEED a quality espresso grinder and for one with a motor, new, they start at about twice your mentioned budget. You can NOT make espresso without your own grinder, the grinder is more important than the machine esp at the lower end of the scale.

Any used machine comes with the potential of issues.

We have a Buy, Sell, Trade forum and lots of well taken care of equipment shows up there, mostly at more money than you want to spend though,

Manual grinders that are able to grind for espresso can be bought for under $100 so a good grinder need not keep you from espresso.

Grinders are the heart of your espresso setup.

We can guide you to grinders to get started with.

Can you see a theme here? Grinder, Grinder, Grinder, you need a espresso able GRINDER, then a machine.

 
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kvCafe
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Posted Wed Jan 22, 2014, 8:19am
Subject: Re: Gaggia New Baby or Used Kitchen Aid Proline
 

I live like almost next to a very prestigious local roaster named Velo (http://velocoffee.com/) in Chattanooga, Tennessee. So I am able to buy, and experiment with grinding size (they have a variety of grinders from proconsumer to commercial that let me try different roast and grind size) almost every other 3-4 days or so. If I want to I can go there and get it even more often.

I also have a Refurb Baratza that I  used for the last machine.
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Posted Wed Jan 22, 2014, 11:03am
Subject: Re: Gaggia New Baby or Used Kitchen Aid Proline
 

difference is $43...it is very easy to blow the "saving" if the proline does not work...

my view is get something that works first...better with a return policy...enjoy your coffee
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Posted Thu Jan 23, 2014, 12:18am
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There is a baby mislisted as classic with a blade grinder starting at $50 BIN $110 on eBay now...looks like a good price...
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Drip: Msl. Com. brewers
Roaster: gave it a try, decided no
Posted Thu Jan 23, 2014, 6:48am
Subject: Re: Gaggia New Baby or Used Kitchen Aid Proline
 

kvCafe Said:

I live like almost next to a very prestigious local roaster named Velo (http://velocoffee.com/) in Chattanooga, Tennessee. So I am able to buy, and experiment with grinding size (they have a variety of grinders from proconsumer to commercial that let me try different roast and grind size) almost every other 3-4 days or so. If I want to I can go there and get it even more often.

I also have a Refurb Baratza that I  used for the last machine.

Posted January 22, 2014 link

I have not heard of your local roaster but that does not mean that they are not OK or even great.
Which referb Baratza do you have? anything LESS than the Preciciso is not going to make it for espresso and neither will any grinder in any store you buy your beans from, they are too old after you grind them (MAX OF 15 MINUTES AFTER GRINDING THEY ARE PLANT MULCH) and there is no way to make any adjustments to the grind, it changes daily and sometimes hour to hour, there is no way you can make espresso with pre ground coffee.

 
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