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chrisvaandering
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Posted Sat Feb 15, 2014, 1:19pm
Subject: Best Commercial grade Single Group head 110V machine?
 

Hey there!

So obviously the GS3 or the Mirage (my fav machine) are gonna top the charts, but i'm not looking for a rolls royce, i'm looking for a toyota :). ha.

Anyone have any thoughts on this? I would like to have the option of plumbing in, and I need to pull about 50-70 shots per hour. At least the capability to do so. So obviously a PID & Double boiler would be a necessity.

Looking to start a portable espresso bar, so any thoughts would be super helpful!

If anyone has ever build a really great portable bar that would be some great info as well!

Appreciate anyone's wisdom on this, thanks heaps!
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Posted Sat Feb 15, 2014, 4:11pm
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The LM GS/3 is the least expensive, truly commercial, DBPID.  All of the less expensive DBPIDs are prosumers.    

So obviously a PID & Double boiler would be a necessity.

What's the obvious part of needing a DBPID?  Why not an HX?  

Presented for your consideration (in alphabetical order), three, commercial, plumbed-in, 1g machines, priced below $4K new, which can keep up with just about any load a real-life barista can throw at them:
  1. Elektra T1 ($3600);
  2. La Cimbali M21 Junior Casa ($3000); and
  3. Nuova Simonelli Appia Volumetric ($3700 "street").

Although the M21 recovers steam very quickly, its boiler size might be too small for a lot of steaming if you really do the numbers you're talking about.  On the other hand, it's probably got the most stable group for high espresso production; and the Casa version -- which has built in pre-infusion -- is especially forgiving in terms of minor distribution flaws.

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While quite a few commercial 1 groups, including the three above, can keep up with the load, 50 - 70 shots an hour is beyond the capability of all but the fastest baristas; and impossible if the barista is also doing a lot of steaming, serving as a cashier, cleaning the pitchers, and all the other stuff which goes into a commercial espresso operation.  If that sort of volume is a real possibility you ought to consider a three person staff and either a 2 group with a 7L boiler, or two commercial 1 groups.      

Finally, the real price for a GS/3 isn't that much more than a commercial HX.  I believe they're still under $6K.  

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Posted Sat Feb 15, 2014, 9:02pm
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Averagely more than 1 cup of coffee in a minute, you need really a two group machine.
Even if you make only espresso, but actually you make more milked coffee, I suppose.

Hx can do the same as two-boiler, and Rancilio Classe 9 can  be compared to PID.

 
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Posted Sat Feb 15, 2014, 9:51pm
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@Boar_d_laze Thanks for your reply! I see what your saying, I would have myself +1 and i've been making coffee for 5+ years at some insanely busy cafe's so we're good on the speed, so 50-70 isn't out of the question at al. Also, generally speaking, I would ideally be working on contract from client as opposed to having to take cash per order so that removes a lot of unnecessary labour time with taking cash and giving change.

I'm personally quite nervous about Elektra machines (except fully manual ones, which don't serve our purpose, and btw for no particularly good reason am I adversed to them, so i could be convinced to change my views) but i've absolutely been looking into the Appia a lot so i'm glad you mentioned it! Have you used it before? I've heard it has some interesting quirks but generally a sturdy work horse. And also, i've actually never heard of La Cimbali so i'll look into it!

As you mentioned the 2 groups, i find it very hard to locate a quality 2 group machine that can run on 110v. The Appia does have a 2 group version, but from what i've heard it's power isn't consistent with that voltage, any thoughts on that?

And obviously i would love to find a GS/3, so I'll be on the hunt for a deal, but this is all contingency planning.

Thanks again! Very appreciated!

(p.s HX is great too, just speaking in terms of capacity, i didn't want someone recommending a Rancillio Silvia or Gaggia Baby or something ;) )

@Pstam thanks for your reply as well. I'll look into the Gaggia but i'm slightly adverse to their consistency. Would love some info if you think otherwise!
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Posted Sun Feb 16, 2014, 9:11am
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Commercial machines are pretty much made from the same components, there is no BEST machine, but you will need one that is serviceable locally and that is more important than brand.

 
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Posted Sun Feb 16, 2014, 10:15am
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chrisvaandering Said:

(p.s HX is great too, just speaking in terms of capacity, i didn't want someone recommending a Rancillio Silvia or Gaggia Baby or something ;) )

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Well, considering neither the Silvia nor the Baby are HX models, I think there is little chance of that happening . . .

chrisvaandering Said:

I'm personally quite nervous about Elektra machines (except fully manual ones, which don't serve our purpose, and btw for no particularly good reason am I adversed to them, so i could be convinced to change my views) but i've absolutely been looking into the Appia a lot so i'm glad you mentioned it! Have you used it before? I've heard it has some interesting quirks but generally a sturdy work horse. And also, i've actually never heard of La Cimbali so i'll look into it!

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Good lord, WHY???  Elektra has been around for a very long time, are exceedingly reliable, and widely used commercially throughout Europe (where HX machines are far more common than DBs) and even here in the States (where the reverse is true).

I've had an Elektra T1 (volumetric) for 6+ years now, with nearly trouble-free operation in daily use.  (Yes, I've replaced the pressurestat.)  Other than that, just routine maintenance.  It is not in a commercial environment, but it is a true commercial machine (not a home model) and, with its 6.0L boiler, can certainly stand up to your requirements for steaming milk.  It is far and away the best machine I've owned, and I have no desire -- even after 6+ years -- to replace it with anything else . . .

What about a Rancillo Epoca S1 (semi-auto) or the Rancillo Epoca E1 (volumetric)?  Both are 3.9L boiler, HX models, and the ABS plastic shell should make them lighter to transport on a mobile cart.

The Cimbali Junior Casa was the machine that came in a close second when I was buying my Elektra.

I'd also consider --which you seem to be doing already -- the Nuova Simonelli Appia 1-group semi or the Nuova Simonelli Appia 1-group volumetric?  

Note: all machine links herein are to CANADIAN vendors, unless otherwise noted.

P.S.  In terms of a portable espresso bar, you're going to need to make sure the machine can run off a FloJet (something to consider).

 
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