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RickSFO
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Posted Sat Feb 22, 2014, 1:29pm
Subject: Best commercial single group machine
 

Hey everyone,

I need a high quality single group machine for a restaurant.  We're downsizing from a two group Strada.  We're keeping the Mazzer grinders.  Looking for something that's reliable, recovers fast, not too wide, and has cup warmers on top.  We want a 220V machine so we don't have to worry about recovery.  Semi-auto or auto.

Single group Linea's are too expensive new, but if I could find one used that would be good.

I'm really only familiar with LM machines and am just starting to research the others, so any advice is welcome.  

Astoria?
Simonelli?

Thanks in advance!

Rick
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Posted Sat Feb 22, 2014, 2:09pm
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There is NO one "best" single group commercial machine (i.e.: no one size fits all) . . . but you probably know that.  

If LM Linea EE/AV 1-groups are too expensive, at $6800 and $7800 respectively (MAP¹), let's talk about what your budget actually is?  

Also, most 1-groups -- such as a Nuova Simonelli Appia Semi-Auto or Volumetric, at $3,533 and $4,210 respectively (MAP), or the Elektra "Sixties" T1 volumetric 1 group -- at $3595 (MAP) -- are all 110v/20A, not 220v.  

As an aside, I have this Elektra in my kitchen.  It is a true commercial machine, with all the necessary NSF, UTL certifications, etc.  It has a 6.0L boiler, and recovery has never been an issue -- no matter how many drinks I have to make in a row!  Keep in mind that not all 1-group machines are so certified, and that's something you'll need to have in a restaurant environment.

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¹ MAP = Minimum Advertised Price.  Actual street price os often lower.

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Posted Wed Feb 26, 2014, 10:46am
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Besides the obvious La Marzocco single group, I have noticed Synesso lists a single group for their Hydra-Hybrid machine on their website, but I have never heard of one in the wild.
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Posted Thu Feb 27, 2014, 8:41am
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Maybe a Rancilio Epoca S?  Looks like they are $3000 - $3500.

 
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Posted Thu Feb 27, 2014, 8:45am
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fergus420 Said:

Maybe a Rancilio Epoca S?  Looks like they are $3000 - $3500.

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I'd really like some user insight on this machine too. :)
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Posted Thu Feb 27, 2014, 10:25am
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fergus420 Said:

Maybe a Rancilio Epoca S?  Looks like they are $3000 - $3500.

Posted February 27, 2014 link

It's a heat exchanger...

How about La Spaziale Vivaldi II?  Its 110, but 20 amps.

Or Rocket VR2

Or Alex Duetto 3.0?

Thanks in advance,

Rick
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Posted Thu Feb 27, 2014, 10:53am
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The thread title is a little misleading.

Perhaps the thread title to "Best commercial single group machine on a budget"

Clearly we aren't really discussing which is the best.... But the best determined by the OP. What's the budget?

BTW what's wrong with an HX?
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Posted Thu Feb 27, 2014, 11:09am
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z0mbie Said:

BTW what's wrong with an HX?

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Nothing whatsoever . . . merely two different ways of skinning the same cat.

 
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Posted Thu Feb 27, 2014, 11:14am
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RickSFO Said:

It's a heat exchanger...

How about La Spaziale Vivaldi II?  Its 110, but 20 amps.

Or Rocket VR2

Or Alex Duetto 3.0?

Thanks in advance,

Rick

Posted February 27, 2014 link

I'd go back and re-read JBL's post.  The only 1-group commercial machine to add to that is the Cimbali Junior.  It too is a 110v machine but runs on only 15 amps.  You cannot outrun this machine, with recovery coming as fast as you can dump your puck, clean your portafilter, and prep it for the next shot.  The same should be true for the two he mentioned.  All of these will steam within a tick of your Strada and do so for back to back milk drinks, so you won't be giving up much there.  

In a restaurant atmosphere, I'd HIGHLY look at a machine that you can get serviced and repaired easily.
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Posted Thu Feb 27, 2014, 11:20am
Subject: Re: Best commercial single group machine
 

RickSFO Said:

It's a heat exchanger…

Posted February 27, 2014 link

And your problem with an HX is what?

RickSFO Said:

How about La Spaziale Vivaldi II?  Its 110, but 20 amps.
Or Rocket VR2
Or Alex Duetto 3.0?

Posted February 27, 2014 link

To the best of my knowledge, NONE of these three machines have the required commercial certifications for use in a restaurant environment.  (The aforementioned Elektra does.)  So, unless you're counting on the local Health inspector not checking . . .

There is a reason why -- on Chris' Coffee Service's websiter -- the three machines are listed on the HOME Espresso Machine page, versus the COMMERCIAL page . . .

 
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