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NobbyR
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Posted Thu Mar 6, 2014, 2:40am
Subject: Eye candy for V3 Rocket Espresso machines
 

So it seems that the biggest innovation of the Rocket Espresso Cellini/Giotto V3 is a PID, which is mostly superfluous on an HX machine like these. It's a pity that RE sees it necessary to jump on that fashion train.

Any thoughts or comments?

 
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Posted Thu Mar 6, 2014, 5:02am
Subject: Re: Eye candy for V3 Rocket Espresso machines
 

There are some good reasons to use a PID for sure such as improved reliability and less so for "noise" but the use of it IMPLIES better shot control and temp stability to uninformed consumers but if you understand how the system works, you know that it isn't true.

 
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Posted Thu Mar 6, 2014, 5:44am
Subject: Re: Eye candy for V3 Rocket Espresso machines
 

calblacksmith Said:

There are some good reasons to use a PID for sure such as improved reliability and less so for "noise" but the use of it IMPLIES better shot control and temp stability to uninformed consumers but if you understand how the system works, you know that it isn't true.

Posted March 6, 2014 link

Even though the reasons you state, Wayne, are true, I don't think prosumer HX machines with a regular pressostat are notorious for being unreliable, not very durable, or the pressostat being extremely loud. After all, the clicking of the pressostat is nothing compared to the noise of a vibration pump or most ginders anyway. To me, it's the machine telling me, we're ready to go.  ;-)

And I don't think that manufacturers will advertise their PIDed machines being quiter and much more durable. They're more likely to brag about improved temperature control.

 
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Posted Thu Mar 6, 2014, 8:37am
Subject: Re: Eye candy for V3 Rocket Espresso machines
 

Have you seen one of these new Rocket HX machines?  Or maybe have some eye candy/pictures/link?
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Posted Thu Mar 6, 2014, 8:55am
Subject: Re: Eye candy for V3 Rocket Espresso machines
 

As far as I know, they'll look pretty much like the V2, because the PID will probably be external like with the R58. But I haven't seen any official pictures yet. However, you could already pre-order one, if you wanted to: click here.

 
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Posted Thu Mar 6, 2014, 12:55pm
Subject: Re: Eye candy for V3 Rocket Espresso machines
 

I received this reply from Andrew Meo on Feb 13, 2013, just before I ordered my Evolutione V2.

"Hi Terence

Thanks for your email and interest

We will not be releasing further PID versions of our HX machines. While PID is an alternative it is not necessarily better
As far a V3 versions go there will not be any upgrades to the existing model range this year

Regards

Andrew Meo"

Well, he was right, not that year.

I would cherish PID on my Evolutione V2 for the ability to adjust brew temps. I live in a hundred year old cabin in North Texas that I heat with a Wood Stove. Temperature swings in my mostly glass kitchen swing widely. This winter with morning temperatures outside @ 10, inside might be near 40. That inside temperature effects machine performance, a few days later we'll have daytime temps @ 80.  Likewise in the Summer, with outside @ 100, inside the kitchen will be mid 80s. PID would allow for better temperature control, my situation may be the exception. YMMV ..

I have also asked Andrew if it was possible to add lighted gauges to the machines. His reply Nov 16, 2013:

"Like you I would love to see little LED lights inside the gauges and this is something I tried to have earlier, however at that time the gauge was not available with the light unfortunately
I now hear that they are available and in fact wait for a sample to have a look at!!

Regards

Andrew"

I'd rather have Rocket add Blu-Tooth to the PID control function and release an Apple iPhone / iPad app. Everything's better with Blu-Tooth.

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Posted Thu Mar 6, 2014, 1:22pm
Subject: Re: Eye candy for V3 Rocket Espresso machines
 

I would cherish PID on my Evolutione V2 for the ability to adjust brew temps.... PID would allow for better temperature control, my situation may be the exception. YMMV.

No one's mileage is going to vary.  You misunderstand both how a p-stat functions in an HX like the Rocket Evoluzione, and how a PID would function as its replacement.  

A p-stat reacts to boiler pressure changes, not temperature changes.  The boiler temperature is purely a function of pressure.  Since PV = nRT in a closed system (like an HX boiler), the boiler temperature is almost wholly unaffected by external temperature.  

If a PID is used by an HX machine to control boiler temperature, the PID can be fitted to respond to pressure OR temperature.  It doesn't matter, because (wait for it) PV = nRT.  

In order to produce steam, the boiler temperature must be well above the brew temperature range.  As a practical matter, "well above" is typically at least 40F hotter than the high end of normal brew temperatures.  Since the boiler water temperature is so high, p-stat or PID, the so called "water-dance"/cooling-flush routine is a necessary part of HX use.  

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Posted Thu Mar 6, 2014, 9:39pm
Subject: Re: Eye candy for V3 Rocket Espresso machines
 

Thanks Rich.+1

As to the reasons I gave, I did not mean to imply anything other than what I said. SOME people complain about the pstat click, it does not bother me at all and on the LA Cimbali, IIT is a micro switch and it makes no noise at all.

Durability has not been an issue with my machines but IF a pstat fails, I may replace it with a PID as they cost less than a sarai commercial stat and has no moving parts. It will not do anything at all for brewing so that was never a thought.

 
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Posted Fri Mar 7, 2014, 1:10am
Subject: Re: Eye candy for V3 Rocket Espresso machines
 

Hi Terence

Thanks for the email

There is no new Evoluzione V3!!

The Plus V2 with the vibration pump is now the V3 PID but no changes to the Evoluzione!

Regards

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Posted Tue May 20, 2014, 3:23pm
Subject: Re: Eye candy for V3 Rocket Espresso machines
 

Does anyone know if they put a rotary pump in the V3? I find it interesting that Rocket hasn't even put the V3 on their website. I see the professionale version on their website, but I haven't seen them for sale in the US. Whats the difference between the premium plus and the classic? Sorry for all the questions but I am thinking about making the switch from my Breville Dual Boiler. I have already had problems after two years and want a machine that can be serviced and last a couple decades.
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