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bossman
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Posted Thu Mar 6, 2014, 5:31pm
Subject: Well CC1 is going back...
 

So now I will be looking again.  I do NOT want to downgrade, and since the CC1 was in a class of its own that means upgrading.  I think I want an HX machine, needs to be tank capable but also being plumb-in capable would be great for later on.  I already have a Vario-W so this will be machine only and I have all  the accessories.  I would like to stay in the 1200-1400 range at absolute max.  Wholattelove has an Exobar Office Lever for just over $1100 and it is really a pretty machine.  Any thoughts on this or anything else in my price range?  I would really like a looker since I am spending more, good steam is a must too the CC1 was just ok there.

http://www.wholelattelove.com/Expobar/office_lever.cfm?
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Posted Thu Mar 6, 2014, 6:26pm
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Maybe I missed it, but what was your reason for not liking the CC1? Maybe there is a clue there about what you should be looking for.
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bossman
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Posted Thu Mar 6, 2014, 6:43pm
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I loved it, but whenever I flushed from either the brew group or steam wand I would get sediment or some kind of flecking in the water, even after flushing over 60 tanks of water and also trying 5 gallons of bottled water.  Someone else posted in my thread that they were having the same issue so I decided it was time to return.  The only issue I had, other that the defect, was the poor steam power, but that was not a deal breaker.
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CMIN
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Posted Thu Mar 6, 2014, 8:29pm
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Did they or Bill C ever get back to you about that sediment thing? Wonder if something clogged your thermo block if your steam was weak, mine is strong, not h/x strong, but really nice and smooth steam,  makes some killer smooth and velvety microfoam. I just checked Chris Coffee and and they have a Faema Carisma for just under 1400. Have you checked the buy/sell area here, may snag a deal on a killer machine.
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bossman
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Posted Thu Mar 6, 2014, 8:58pm
Subject: Re: Well CC1 is going back...
 

Yeah Bill thought it was oxidation from the heating element heating w/o water and said it should go away.  After two weeks it was still happening anytime the machine sat idle for a while.  I thought it was getting better until yesterday when I flushed in the morning and it was just as bad as the first time.  Didn't even get a morning coffee because I did not have enough time to flush it enough to make the stuff go away.  Super frustrating and I have a feeling that stuff may have been in the thermo block causing the irratic and low pressure steam.

It will probably be a couple weeks before I get my refund and I will need probably another couple weeks before I have enough extra to get a better machine.  I am really looking hard at the Exobar lever office but I will done a lot of research before buying.

Edit: Wow I am in love with the Faema Carisma! I see it listed for $1550 though, is there a discount he gives or something?
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billc
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Posted Fri Mar 7, 2014, 8:27am
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Yes, the cause of this is heating the machine without first filling the boiler.  The CC1 does have dual over temp protection.  The first is the temperature sensor, when the boiler reaches temperatures over 220 degrees F it shuts down the machine.  If there is a catastrophic failure somewhere, there is a thermal fuse that goes and also cuts off power to the boiler.

If there is no water in the boiler, the heating element is exposed to the air.  The actual element reaches temperatures way beyond the 220 degrees F before the software shuts it down.  During this time the air oxidizes on the heating element.  When it cools down the oxidation is allowed to flake off.  

Please note that this only happens when the boiler is not filled prior to use.  If the element is immersed in water it will never reach such temperatures.


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bossman
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Posted Fri Mar 7, 2014, 8:49am
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Bill,

How is it possible for that to happen?  When I got the machine I plugged it in and followed the manual to fill the boiler.  Since that very first start up there was never a time it was without water in the tank, ever.  It took over 20 tanks of water and 5 gallons of bottled water before I was able to flush without any of the sediment in the water.  Then every time I would use it, then try to use it again even a couple hours later I would have to flush 1-3 tanks again before the water would be clear, only to have the same thing the very next time.

I can see maybe the first time, but after that unless there was a defect it should have had water in it the whole time since the tank had water, correct?

I loved the machine other then that issue, but it was not usable like that to me.  I shipped it this morning back to SCG they said they would get it to you to look at.
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