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redsoxfred
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Posted Mon Mar 17, 2014, 7:32am
Subject: Re: Rancilio Silvia (2006 model) problem.
 

thanks, will do as soon as my order comes in.

until then its kcup machine.. and needless to say, I welcome death at this point
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Posted Fri Mar 21, 2014, 12:11pm
Subject: Re: Rancilio Silvia (2006 model) problem.
 

ok i got the replacement thermostats.  i replaced all of them.  i didnt have thermal grease to apply.  i also changed the boiler gasket and now its 100% leak proof, so thats good.

as far as the temperature goes, its still a problem.

so far this is what i have observed  

  1.  the red light never goes off.
  2.   boiler outside temperature reaches 100C when steam swith is off (tested with candy thermometer touching the boiler exterior)
    3  safety breaker eventually kicks in

i tripled checked my wiring and comparing it to pictures i had taken before i started

the only thing i could see would be if thermostat have a direction maybe i went the wrong way, but my limited electricity knowledge tells me its not the case, either connector on a thermostat are the same.

what would be my next step ?
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Posted Fri Mar 21, 2014, 2:24pm
Subject: Re: Rancilio Silvia (2006 model) problem.
 

I can think of 2 possibilities:

  1.  A wiring error is still cleverly hiding from you ;-)

  2.  One leg of the heating element is shorting directly to the grounded boiler as the result of a failed element.  

To narrow things down, try this:

1) Plug machine into a GFCI-protected outlet.  If electricity is "escaping" to ground from the element to the boiler then the GFCI should trip.

2) Pull the wire(s) from one side of the steam thermostat then plug back in and switch on.  If the orange light is on (and the GFCI didn't trip) then you have a wiring error.

Jim
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Posted Fri Mar 21, 2014, 2:40pm
Subject: Re: Rancilio Silvia (2006 model) problem.
 

i did #2 first and i still get the orange light coming on.. but its not as bright .

do you still want me to do #1

if i have a wiring error i guess i will try to fix all this..
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Posted Fri Mar 21, 2014, 5:38pm
Subject: Re: Rancilio Silvia (2006 model) problem.
 

redsoxfred Said:

do you still want me to do #1

Posted March 21, 2014 link

Yes. A dim or flickering light is frequently an indicator of a ground fault. Plus, if it's a ground fault it is a dangerous situation you need to know about.

Jim
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Posted Fri Mar 21, 2014, 7:07pm
Subject: Re: Rancilio Silvia (2006 model) problem.
 

the only GFCI outlet i have are either in the bathroom or outside the house.

Would those do ?  (it should become apparent, if it was not already that i am not a electrician ;)
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Posted Sat Mar 22, 2014, 3:56am
Subject: Re: Rancilio Silvia (2006 model) problem.
 

Yes, any working GFCI will do.

Be really careful when you try this. There's a very good chance you have live 115VAC on the metal frame of your machine.

DON'T use a 2-prong extension cord, although a heavy duty 3-prong would be OK for this test. For safety sake the Silvia needs to be "more grounded" than you when you touch it.

DON'T touch anything yourself that could ground your body, like a faucet, steel sink, the lawn, a puddle, etc.

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Posted Wed Apr 16, 2014, 6:57am
Subject: Re: Rancilio Silvia (2006 model) problem.
 

OK it took me a while to get everything tested,

turns out the elements were shot, and i needed to have the boiler changed.

Machine works well now...  So no need to replace it....

So now I have a few more questions about the PID modification I could do on a V1

and also replacing the steam wand for a v3.

there are PID that also control the steam and do a pre-infusion.  Are those extras worth it ?

The PID kits i saw available in Canada all mention that the PID kit work for machine built after August 2006.  Mine was built in May 2006.  Is there a workaround or am i out of luck ?

Is changing the steam wand from a V1 to a V3 just as easy as unscrewing old one and putting in new one.  Is it worth it ?
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Posted Wed Apr 16, 2014, 4:16pm
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redsoxfred Said:

there are PID that also control the steam and do a pre-infusion.  Are those extras worth it ?

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Steam control, definite yes.  Preinfusion, no.

redsoxfred Said:

The PID kits i saw available in Canada all mention that the PID kit work for machine built after August 2006.  Mine was built in May 2006.  Is there a workaround or am i out of luck ?

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Electrically, there is no difference.  It is possible that the thermocouple probe is not compatible, I suppose, but this could be easily resolved by using a washer-style thermocouple and placing it under one of the brew thermostat screws.  My suggestion is to ask the seller what is not compatible with pre-2006, then come back here for workarounds.

redsoxfred Said:

Is changing the steam wand from a V1 to a V3 just as easy as unscrewing old one and putting in new one.  Is it worth it ?

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Wouldn't be worth it for me, but I avoid plumbing projects whenever possible.

Jim
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Posted Wed Apr 16, 2014, 6:17pm
Subject: Re: Rancilio Silvia (2006 model) problem.
 

JGG Said:

 Electrically, there is no difference.  It is possible that the thermocouple probe is not compatible, I suppose, but this could be easily resolved by using a washer-style thermocouple and placing it under one of the brew thermostat screws.  My suggestion is to ask the seller what is not compatible with pre-2006, then come back here for workarounds.
Jim

Posted April 16, 2014 link

That is correct.  Auber Instruments can supply you with the  correct RTD for your machine.

Ed
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