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redsoxfred
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Posted Wed Apr 16, 2014, 7:43pm
Subject: Re: Rancilio Silvia (2006 model) problem.
 

I wrote to them, they were quite helpful.

the thing is I am in Canada, and the only company in Canada with decent prices I have found selling the PID units doesnt have the retrofit model.  

If I order from outside Canada, I need to pay a lot more for shipping, exchange rating, brokerage fees and custom fees.

But If i understand correctly, once I have installed a PID, the brew thermostats are no longer used, so i can use one of the holes for the PID thermocouple.
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Posted Thu Apr 17, 2014, 6:11am
Subject: Re: Rancilio Silvia (2006 model) problem.
 

I live in Canada and have been saving to either buy or build a PID for my Silvia.  The best deals have found to buy the kit are from Aubrins.com directly or from Idrinkcoffee.com. D4F has a few posts here in CG explaining in detail how to build and install a PID for less.  Once I am able I will just be going with the basic brew only model from Aubrins.com
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Posted Thu Apr 17, 2014, 6:38am
Subject: Re: Rancilio Silvia (2006 model) problem.
 

redsoxfred Said:

I wrote to them, they were quite helpful.

the thing is I am in Canada, and the only company in Canada with decent prices I have found selling the PID units doesnt have the retrofit model.  

If I order from outside Canada, I need to pay a lot more for shipping, exchange rating, brokerage fees and custom fees.

But If i understand correctly, once I have installed a PID, the brew thermostats are no longer used, so i can use one of the holes for the PID thermocouple.

Posted April 16, 2014 link

The temperature sensor used on the 2006 and later boilers will not fit the older boiler.   As JGG noted you will need the washer type temperature sensor.  That is what I have installed on my 2002 Silvia.
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Posted Thu Apr 17, 2014, 11:02am
Subject: Re: Rancilio Silvia (2006 model) problem.
 

redsoxfred Said:

The PID kits i saw available in Canada all mention that the PID kit work for machine built after August 2006.  Mine was built in May 2006.  Is there a workaround or am i out of luck ?

Is changing the steam wand from a V1 to a V3 just as easy as unscrewing old one and putting in new one.  Is it worth it ?

Posted April 16, 2014 link

It is more than a wand change, you need the whole wand assembly for the V.3

http://www.espressoparts.com/R_1011N

Look here and read the available Auber links and you will see what you need even if you do not buy from them.  

https://www.google.com/#q=auber+pid+instructions+silvia

For the quality of instructions and parts, Auber is still a good way to go in Canada :)  

JGG is a great resource :)

 
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Posted Thu Apr 17, 2014, 12:29pm
Subject: Re: Rancilio Silvia (2006 model) problem.
 

OK I got the new boiler installed today.  It looks fine


http://i.imgur.com/H5yb23N.jpg

So now the question i have is which sensor will work with this boiler (For the PID)

this one http://i.imgur.com/Cxy7fut.jpg

or

this one  

http://i.imgur.com/t6b7NpN.jpg

thanks a lot
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Posted Thu Apr 17, 2014, 12:36pm
Subject: Re: Rancilio Silvia (2006 model) problem.
 

Both housings contain RTD sensors, the difference is the holding mechanism.  The one screws into a hole used by a screwed in thermostat, and the other is an RTD housed in a T'stat body so that it clamps down. Yours appears to be  clamped.

Are you ordering a kit from Auber?  Or supplies from Auber? You can email them and Suyi will help as well.

 
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Posted Thu Apr 17, 2014, 12:40pm
Subject: Re: Rancilio Silvia (2006 model) problem.
 

You probably got the photo from here, but look further down the page at the screwed in tstat, vs a flat bottom clamped on.

Click Here (www.auberins.com)

The install guide is also available on that page :)

 
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redsoxfred
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Posted Thu Apr 17, 2014, 12:42pm
Subject: Re: Rancilio Silvia (2006 model) problem.
 

I will order from them after all.. they told me they are good at marking low value and gift on custom forms, so that makes it a lot closer in $$$ than from EspressoTec, and from the frequency of email replies, I assume support will be excellent from them
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Posted Thu Apr 17, 2014, 12:52pm
Subject: Re: Rancilio Silvia (2006 model) problem.
 

If you email the boiler/stat photo to them, they can confirm.  That said, if your stat is flat bottom then you need that style.  I don't believe that the screw in sensor fits a clamp screw hole but the larger stat screw. You will reuse the clamp to hold the sensor.

 
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redsoxfred
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Posted Thu Apr 17, 2014, 12:55pm
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i am trying to email them, but the ebay member email i have i bouncing.  

I am talking with Sharron

Hopefully i get a normal email for her
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