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Gig103
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Espresso: Crossland CC1
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Posted Wed Mar 19, 2014, 12:43pm
Subject: Upgrade to QM Andreja from CC1?
 

I have had a CC1 + Vario for more than two years now, and I've enjoyed having espresso at home. My wife gives me a hard time because she doesn't like the smell, so it's mostly a weekday morning thing, even though I'd love to be making cappuccinos on the weekends too! When deciding on my machine, I had come up with some wishlist items that no machine I was aware of at the time fit. Plus, at the time I didn't want to jump into a very expensive machine since I wasn't sure if I could justify it. The CC1 was a great choice for me and I enjoy using it, and it's paid for itself and some in the past two years!

I am not even sure I've outgrown the CC1 (I've answered our typical questions for your opinions below), but I'm having a bit of an upgrade fever because I was looking at Chris' Coffee store and came across the QM Andreja, which has everything on my old wish list!
> E61 group
> All-stainless appearance
> Tank w/ plumb option
> No-burn arms
> HX for simultaneous brew/steam and back-to-back operation (no waiting for SB or DB rebound once the initial cooling flush is done)
> Ability to drain boiler for flushing post-descale

And now that I know I enjoy my espresso, I don't mind spending more money (and my CC1 would hit the BST forum, hopefully making someone else happy too!). So, is it a good machine worth the money, and will the E61 give me a better shot since it's more temperature stable?

1)  What kind of drinks do you like/want to make? -- Mostly espresso shots, sometimes a milk drink if I have time. In theory, I could do both simultaneously on an HX.
2)  How many drinks, on average, do you see yourself needing to make at any one time? -- Just for me, so at most two double shots for a quad capp/latte. I had company and the rebound time was bugging me though.
3)  How many drinks, on average, do you see yourself making in any given week? -- 5 (weekdays)
4)  Can you plumb a machine directly into the water supply, or do you want/need a pour over machine with its own reservoir? -- Right now just reservoir but I'd like the plumb-option
5)  Do you have a 20-amp circuit available, or only a (standard) 15-amp circuit? -- 15A
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gophishin
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Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Espresso: ecm technika iv profi
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Posted Thu Mar 20, 2014, 10:32am
Subject: Re: Upgrade to QM Andreja from CC1?
 

I'm going to offer my $.02 being in a similar boat, owning a (even less capable) SBDU, and wanting to upgrade to an E61 style HX (although I'm also open to DBs and non-E61 machines).  I have used and worked with a QM Anita and found it to be a great upgrade both in the cup and for ease of use.  Shots had much better mouthfeel and body, the machine was a delight to use.  The build quality was nice and it's good looking too.  I haven't used the CC1, and since it does offer preinfusion and temperature control, I can't speak to how dramatic the changes in the cup may be for you in particular, but I imagine the E61 group might prove to be more forgiving than your current machine, and the instantaneous steam power was such an awesome change.  

My question would be is if the Andreja is really worth it over the Anita.  Other than the appearance, which I know is/can be significant, it's my understanding that the only thing the Andreja offers is the immediate ability to plumb and the compressionless steam/hot water valves.  With a little DIY you can plumb the Anita yourself, so my question would be is it better to look to the Vetrano instead where you get the benefit of the rotary pump since you plan to plumb it anyways instead of the Andreja.

I don't know if that helps at all or just unintentionally jacks your thread (sorry), but maybe someone that has owned these machines can comment - I believe USCFRoadie has owned both?
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Gig103
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Location: Arizona
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Espresso: Crossland CC1
Grinder: Baratza Vario
Drip: French press!
Posted Thu Mar 20, 2014, 1:09pm
Subject: Re: Upgrade to QM Andreja from CC1?
 

I don't think it's really a threadjack. If I was going to plumb right away, then yes the Vertrano makes sense, but it isn't currently in the cards. But if I was buying a prosumer machine I'd want the ability since it would be a long-term purchase.
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gophishin
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Posted Thu Mar 20, 2014, 1:43pm
Subject: Re: Upgrade to QM Andreja from CC1?
 

I can see that, the flexibility is nice.  The Bezzera Mitica is near that price range (~$100 more), is switchable, rotary pump, and joystick arms.  It's a good looking machine, but a little newer and not quite as much info available.
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