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ab101
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Posted Sun Mar 23, 2014, 2:49am
Subject: Espresso machines in South Africa
 

Hi everyone,

I recently found CoffeeGeeks when I was looking up reviews for an espresso machine I wanted to buy (a Breville machine with built-in grinder).  I'm glad I found CoffeeGeeks before purchasing the machine, but now I'm hoping for some advise on alternatives.

I've read through the espresso machine buying guide (thank you, it is a great guide that I will surely revisit from time to time) and I also read the sticky post at the top of this forum.

To get started here are my answers to the questions in the sticky:
  1. What kind of drinks do you like/want to make?  (This will tell us what you need in terms of a machine's capabilities.)
       A: Espresso, cappuccino and latte.
  2. How many drinks, on average, do you see yourself needing to make at any one time? (This will tell us what you need in terms of a machine's ability to work continuously.)
       A: One.
  3. How many drinks, on average, do you see yourself making in any given week?  (This will tell us what you need in terms of a machine's durability.)
       A: About ten to fifteen.
  4. Can you plumb a machine directly into the water supply, or do you want/need a pour over machine with its own reservoir?
       A: I don't know if I can.  Forgive my ignorance, but does it make a big difference?.
  5. Do you have a 20-amp circuit available, or only a (standard) 15-amp circuit?
       A: As far as I know I only have a 15 amp circuit.
  6. What is your budget for a new machine?  Does that also include a grinder?  If not, what is your budget for a grinder?
       A: My budget for the grinder and machine is about $500 to $600.
  7. Are you willing to buy used or do you need new equipment? Do you or family member have the skills to repair used equipment?
       A: I would prefer not to since I don't know anyone that will be able to repair equipment, but if it is in good condition I will consider it.
  8. Do you have the essential accessories (decent tamper, knockbox, the works), otherwise budget about $100 for these.
       A: No, I've included that in the budget, but if necessary I can stretch my budget slightly, especially since I can buy the accessories as I go along.

At the moment I use a Krups grinder, an Aeropress and an Aerolatte steam free milk frother (a neat little low-budget tool, but not as nice as a steam-wand).  I also have some French-presses and a drip-coffee maker.  The Aeropress makes a nice cup of coffee, but I want something to make espresso with.

I was hoping to get some of the entry-level equipment from the espresso machine buying guide, but so far I cannot find many vendors that sell these brands.  The only thing I could find was the Rancilio Rocky grinder, and I found a coffee shop willing to import the Rancilio Silvia espresso machine.  The problem is that these two together would cost about double my current budget.  Now I'm considering getting the Rocky grinder and really cheaping out on the espresso machine to fit it into my budget and give me some time to save up for the Silvia.  Unfortunately even the cheapest espresso machines I find go for about $200 and isn't even on the list in the espresso machine buying guide.

I didn't want to post links to the local online stores because I wasn't sure if that would be allowed, but if link-posting is allowed, I can provide you with links so that you can see what I have available locally.  I am willing to import the equipment, but the shipping cost for such heavy machinery is usually very high.

Any help with vendor or product recommendations will be greatly appreciated.
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witoldb
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Posted Sun Mar 23, 2014, 10:04am
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Why don't you search for a deals on Ananzi?
Start with the grinder first - I see there are several ads for used San Marco and Mazzer grinders for around R 2000.
These are commercial quality 64 mm burrs grinders and will last you many years and are much better than Rocky.
You just need to check if the motor is spinning and bearings are not noisy before picking them. If required, it's easy to change the burrs.
Also I saw good price for refurbished Silvia, Oscar/grinder and Ascaso/grinder combos.
Machines like Silvia or Gaggia Classic are very simple to repair. If the pump, 3-way valve and heater are working, you can get help here how to fix them.
Do not buy machine with built in grinder.
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ab101
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Location: South Africa
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Posted Mon Mar 24, 2014, 1:05am
Subject: Re: Espresso machines in South Africa
 

Thanks for the reply witoldb.

I had a look on Bid or Buy, but never thaught about Ananzi.  There seem to be a few good deals, especially on the more heavy-duty machines.  At the present I've got my eye on two grinders, an Anfin and a La San Marco grinder.  I'm hoping to get the Anfin grinder.  I might also wait a little longer for the espresso machine if that means I can get a decent industrial machine.

Do you maybe know of specialists I can take my equipment to for services and repairs?
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witoldb
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Posted Mon Mar 24, 2014, 9:23am
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I've started getting into coffee after leaving SA so can't offer you any advice.
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dannyvice1967
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Posted Mon Mar 24, 2014, 6:30pm
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ab101 Said:

I was hoping to get some of the entry-level equipment from the espresso machine buying guide, but so far I cannot find many vendors that sell these brands.  The only thing I could find was the Rancilio Rocky grinder, and I found a coffee shop willing to import the Rancilio Silvia espresso machine.  The problem is that these two together would cost about double my current budget.  Now I'm considering getting the Rocky grinder and really cheaping out on the espresso machine to fit it into my budget and give me some time to save up for the Silvia.  Unfortunately even the cheapest espresso machines I find go for about $200 and isn't even on the list in the espresso machine buying guide.

Posted March 23, 2014 link

Seems like Rocky grinder will coust at least $300, so in addition to the espresso machine, it is over your budget apparently. And How about your Keurig grinder, is it suitable for a new espresso machine
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ab101
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Posted Tue Mar 25, 2014, 12:40am
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dannyvice1967 Said:

Seems like Rocky grinder will coust at least $300, so in addition to the espresso machine, it is over your budget apparently. And How about your Keurig grinder, is it suitable for a new espresso machine

Posted March 24, 2014 link

Yes, you're right.  I was hoping to find some cheaper solutions since not all of the brands are available in South Africa.

Regarding my current grinder:  From what I could gether on this forum, my current grinder (by the way its a Krups grinder) does not grind the beans finely and consistently enough for espresso.

If I have to readjust my budget I can do so.  It would simply mean waiting a little longer for the equipment.  In the meantime I'm following Witolb's advice and looking at second-hand machines.
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MikeatCupAndBrew
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Posted Thu Mar 27, 2014, 7:01pm
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You might want to get in touch with this guy http://za.linkedin.com/pub/josh-ponelat/47/350/842  He creates some of the graphics for my site and is from South Africa (not sure where).  I know he roasts his own beans and serves espresso at a farmers market on the weekends and is upgrading to a two head machine (used).  He may be looking to sell his old one or may have some contacts that he made while searching for his new pre-owned machine.
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bongani
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Posted Thu Mar 27, 2014, 8:19pm
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I am in ZA as well, check this guy,  I have bought machines and some accessories from him. As for coffee, there are roasters cropping up almost all over. I would say check their clients first, if they supply a set establishment.

Click Here (www.gumtree.co.za)

Click Here (www.gumtree.co.za)
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mgk2031
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Posted Fri Mar 28, 2014, 12:41pm
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Really good information!!
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ab101
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Location: South Africa
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Posted Mon Mar 31, 2014, 7:33am
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Apologies for the late reply.

I ended up buying a two-head Expobar machine that is in very good condition.  It was a bit outside my budget, so I will just have to wait a bit before upgrading my grinder.  So far I'm very pleased with the machine though.
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