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Posted Tue Apr 8, 2014, 8:28am
Subject: 7 yr Vibiemme Domobar Super DIED help choosing Quickmill Vetrano 2B or ECM ?
 

I'm heartbroken ....my repair guy said my VBM beyond repair thanks to our water softener breaking awhile back, lesson learned :-(

So searching on here and Home Barista looks like the new ECM or QM Vetrano 2B would suit my needs.
No direct plumbed in at the moment but hope to in the future, 50/50 espresso shots and caps, must be semi-auto.
We do a lot of entertaining so the slightly bigger boiler on the ECM is appealing.


Any other recommendations?

I would prefer to purchase either from Jim 1st line or Chris Coffee.
Thank you

 
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Posted Tue Apr 8, 2014, 8:35am
Subject: Re: 7 yr Vibiemme Domobar Super DIED help choosing Quickmill Vetrano 2B or ECM ?
 

Wanted to add want a rotary pump this time, husband does not want another VBM and when entertaining my guest always prefer milk based drinks.  Kinda leaning towards ECM.  1st line is out of stock, big bummer

 
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Posted Tue Apr 8, 2014, 9:12am
Subject: Re: 7 yr Vibiemme Domobar Super DIED help choosing Quickmill Vetrano 2B or ECM ?
 

Qm is a dual boiler and the ecm is an hx. Not really comparing apples to apples. There are many discussions on which is better- more like differences.  I went from  15 year old hx to an Alex duetto db. While I wouldn't go back a nice hx would do fine. Do you switch up coffee origins frequently ? How much space do you have for a new machine ? Do you like the temp surf ritual of your old machine ? You haven't stated a budget amount so the sky is the limit.
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Posted Tue Apr 8, 2014, 10:01am
Subject: Re: 7 yr Vibiemme Domobar Super DIED help choosing Quickmill Vetrano 2B or ECM ?
 

I always like the style of ECM machines for some reason.  They aren't that much different, but I do like something about their looks.

The Quickmill, being a double boiler, is likely going to outpace any use you have or need in a home setting.  I wouldn't worry about the boiler size in comparison with the ECM.

Either of these machines should work for you in a home setting.  Both should be quite serviceable for a long time too.

As stated above if you don't give a budget ballpark people are going to start recommending Speedsters, GS/3 and the like!
Your grinder is listed under your profile as a Rocky.  Has that been upgraded?  If not you might want to see if one of the espresso machine with grinder sets makes sense for you too.

Regarding the Vibiemme Domobar failure.  If you want to get rid of that machine for parts I have a project in mind... ;-)
Email me if it needs a home...
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Posted Tue Apr 8, 2014, 10:05am
Subject: Re: 7 yr Vibiemme Domobar Super DIED help choosing Quickmill Vetrano 2B or ECM ?
 

I guess the OP needs to be a little more specific, ECM does make a DB now too.

Either DB or HX will be fine, both make outstanding coffee, neither is better or worse, it is personal preference.

I have had commercial HX for many years, both ECM, La Cimbali and even a Brazilia. I have used DB and for me, there is not a lot of difference and I prefer the HX to DB, YMMV!

So are you interested in HX or is that off the table? You can get a real nice HX with plumbable option and rotary pump for what an entry level DB runs.

So, whatchya thinkin ? :D

 
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Posted Tue Apr 8, 2014, 1:35pm
Subject: Re: 7 yr Vibiemme Domobar Super DIED help choosing Quickmill Vetrano 2B or ECM ?
 

jillksy Said:

Wanted to add want a rotary pump this time, husband does not want another VBM and when entertaining my guest always prefer milk based drinks.  Kinda leaning towards ECM.  1st line is out of stock, big bummer

Posted April 8, 2014 link

Jill,

Give me a call when you get a chance. I want to know the details about the water softener and what the diagnosis on the machine was. ECMs are due in next week, but I do not think you need a new machine until I know exactly what the diagnosis is.

 
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Posted Tue Apr 8, 2014, 3:04pm
Subject: Re: 7 yr Vibiemme Domobar Super DIED help choosing Quickmill Vetrano 2B or ECM ?
 

1stline Said:

Give me a call when you get a chance. I want to know the details about the water softener and what the diagnosis on the machine was. ECMs are due in next week, but I do not think you need a new machine until I know exactly what the diagnosis is.

Posted April 8, 2014 link

I agree. The DS is a simple machine to disassemble and work on. When I sold mine I had it apart in well under 30 minutes because I sent the frame out to be powder coated. Unless the HX cracks from freeze damage it certainly should be repairable. Worst case- remove boiler and dip and replace heating element. The rest is likely just a dip and new gaskets and seals.

 
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Posted Tue Apr 8, 2014, 7:41pm
Subject: Re: 7 yr Vibiemme Domobar Super DIED help choosing Quickmill Vetrano 2B or ECM ?
 

1stline Said:

Jill,

Give me a call when you get a chance. I want to know the details about the water softener and what the diagnosis on the machine was. ECMs are due in next week, but I do not think you need a new machine until I know exactly what the diagnosis is.

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Thanks Jim, I will definitely call you tomorrow.  I had a espresso repair guy (that Sweet Marisa recommends) look at it and he took some very detailed pictures that I'll forward to you.
Basically he said the whole unit was corroded and when he twisted the nut on the boiler it snapped off.

Again, sincerely appreciate your help.

 
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Posted Tue Apr 8, 2014, 8:15pm
Subject: Re: 7 yr Vibiemme Domobar Super DIED help choosing Quickmill Vetrano 2B or ECM ?
 

kize Said:

Qm is a dual boiler and the ecm is an hx. Not really comparing apples to apples. There are many discussions on which is better- more like differences.  I went from  15 year old hx to an Alex duetto db. While I wouldn't go back a nice hx would do fine. Do you switch up coffee origins frequently ? How much space do you have for a new machine ? Do you like the temp surf ritual of your old machine ? You haven't stated a budget amount so the sky is the limit.

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Yeah, Chris Coffee rep pointed out the DB somehow I missed that on specs.  I have been doing so much research my eyes are getting blurry!  I'm ruling out the 2B.
I prefer HX.  Rotary pump this time.  My VBM was vibe and just too noisy in the morning for those that like to sleep in . :-)  I just noticed they now have rotary pumps on VBM. My husband wants a machine with less weight (VBM is 70lbs) and footprint though so ruling out VBM.

I'm definitely looking to upgrade the grinder, Rocky has a little mod and worked like a champ with my VBM.  I have been looking at grinders but that'll have to wait a few months.  
My husband does roast quite a bit different origins.
Budget is 2k range.  
Thanks :-)

 
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Posted Wed Apr 9, 2014, 6:36am
Subject: Re: 7 yr Vibiemme Domobar Super DIED help choosing Quickmill Vetrano 2B or ECM ?
 

I'd get a few opinions on repair unless your fixed on upgrading to something with a rotary. I do believe if your Vibiemme Super is just really corroded a good tear down and descale would fix things unless there's more to it than that.  If you end up upgrading and are willing to sell and ship your machine for parts I'm looking for a good project. :P
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