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DeanOK
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Posted Sat May 17, 2014, 10:02am
Subject: Going from naked back to spouted
 

I have been using a naked PF for months. I think my methodology has become consistent enough that I could give up the naked PF and use the spouted. The only benefit of going to the spouted is that I occasionally will have a small spritz that hits my shiny stainless machine and I have to clean the machine... so I was thinking about taking the lazy way out. The spray is so fine that I usually do not even notice it when it happens... but it does happen occasionally.

Has anyone else gone from a naked PF back to a spouted PF?
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Posted Sat May 17, 2014, 10:38am
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Yup.
I tried it.
Went back to bottomless....

Much more satisfying, not to mention how much easier it is to get filter baskets out :-)))
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Posted Sat May 17, 2014, 11:02am
Subject: Re: Going from naked back to spouted
 

DeanOK Said:

I have been using a naked PF for months. I think my methodology has become consistent enough that I could give up the naked PF and use the spouted. The only benefit of going to the spouted is that I occasionally will have a small spritz that hits my shiny stainless machine and I have to clean the machine... so I was thinking about taking the lazy way out. The spray is so fine that I usually do not even notice it when it happens... but it does happen occasionally.

Has anyone else gone from a naked PF back to a spouted PF?

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It sounds funny but I only use my naked PF on weekends when I'm toying around, experimenting with different roasts or grind settings to explore variances in flavor profiles.    But during the week, I pull shots mostly on my LCMs, so I really don't need the naked PF.   But pulling shots on the Creminas, I always use the naked PF as it is a crucial feedback loop as I pull the shots.  But using a spouted PF is better another regard (besides your point about not having to clean the the occasional spritz) -- the shot comes out at a better drinking temp.
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Posted Sat May 17, 2014, 11:11am
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I've never even once used the spouted portafilter I got with mine. Probably should sometime just to taste the difference :) This should be a fun thread to follow. I've heard some say they prefer the flavor with the spouts on.
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Posted Sat May 17, 2014, 1:26pm
Subject: Re: Going from naked back to spouted
 

DeanOK Said:

I have been using a naked PF for months . . . . Has anyone else gone from a naked PF back to a spouted PF?

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To begin with, and to state the obvious, it only matters what tastes best to you!

That said, I use all my portafilters -- my bottomless, and my sprouted (both one spout and two) -- on a daily basis.  Remember that it's all about what's in the cup, and --- to my taste -- what's in the cup is different when using a bottomless than when using a regular pf.  With all else being equal (dose, temperature, time, beans, machine, cups . . . ), a shot pulled using a bottomless pf is -- again, to my taste -- more rustic, more robust, more "rough around the edges," if you will; in contrast, a shot pulled with a regular pf is more refined, more polished, smoother.

Typically my first espresso of the morning is pulled using a bottomless -- I've stumbled down to the kitchen, pulled a shot and fed the dog.  The rest of the day is typically the regular ones.

 
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Posted Sat May 17, 2014, 1:58pm
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Well, not a good report. I have never tried to put my VST 18 in the stock PFs that came with my Vetrano 2B... neither of my precision baskets will fit the stock PFs, so I probably will have to buy a different PF if I want to continue to use my 18 VST  (which I have grown to love) with a spouted PF.   :(
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Posted Sat May 17, 2014, 4:02pm
Subject: Re: Going from naked back to spouted
 

Spouted pfs deflate the crema and the espresso more than crotchless; so they give different mouthfeels.  Spouted is silkier, naked chewier.  Bottomless are easier to clean; but mediocre pours from a crotchless are distracting.      

I always use a naked pf when dialing-in beans and/or grinder. Otherwise, I go back and forth. I probably go bottomless about three times as often as spouted, but -- to add some context -- we change beans at least twice a week.  

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Posted Sun May 18, 2014, 2:11am
Subject: Re: Going from naked back to spouted
 

In my personal experience, taste doesn't differ much using a naked or regular portafilter. You seem to get a little more crema with the bottomless PF, but that's mostly artificial, because some larger bubbles, that would burst inside the spouted PF, make it into your cup. To me the naked PF is a diagnostic tool in the first place, which helps to identify extraction problems and to dial in new beans, for example.

But most of all, it looks cool. When it works, that is... ;-)

 
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