espressotweek Senior Member Joined: 13 Aug 2003 Posts: 117 Location: Florida Expertise: I live coffee
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Posted Wed Nov 12, 2003, 2:22pm Subject: "Ristretto" the word.
Hey gang,
just a quick question here. I know what a ristretto is (.75 shot) and I love them of course, but I can't seem to find the word in English, Italian or German? I assume it means (restricted) but I was just wondering if anybody knew for shure and God forbid I pronounce it wrong as well! I say it like it sounds ie: Ris-tr-etto. So let me know what you know:-)
sjames Senior Member Joined: 19 Dec 2001 Posts: 464 Location: Melbourne, Australia Expertise: Pro Barista
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Posted Wed Nov 12, 2003, 7:32pm Subject: Re: "Ristretto" the word.
Tweek,
I don't have an Itallian dictionary handy but I'm sure it's Itallian or Itallian slang for restricted. As for your .75 of a shot, that's a matter of taste in my opinion. We have customers who like it under 10 seconds and others (including myself) who like it around 15 seconds.
Posted Fri Nov 14, 2003, 10:11am Subject: Re: "Ristretto" the word.
Not sure of the word origin. But unlike the previous posts, same extraction time as a double (25-30sec) with a finer grind resulting in a restricted volume of 15-25ml. So now I'm not sure of the exact definition of ristretto. IMO, the bottom line is if you like what your tasting/sensing & it's a restricted volume it's "ristretto" no matter what amt of grind, degree of grind, tamping pressure & extraction time.
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flydhest Senior Member Joined: 28 Jul 2003 Posts: 274 Location: Washington, DC Expertise: I live coffee
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Posted Sat Nov 15, 2003, 6:14am Subject: Re: "Ristretto" the word.
As far as the word goes, it the past participle of the verb "restringere" which means, as you might guess, to restrict. Like in English, and many other languages, the past participle in Italian is often used as an adjective, but also as a noun by association and context. Ristretto is a restricted (coffee or pull) where the noun is in parentheses because it is suggested, and thus the adjective becomes the noun.
Sort of like pesto. That's a noun for the scrumptious green stuff I like on pasta, but it is actually the past participle of the verb "to pestle" which I don't think exists in English, but the traditional way of making it is to put the ingredients in a mortar and grind them up with a pestle--so the sauce has been "pestled" or pesto.
malachi Senior Member Joined: 5 May 2002 Posts: 1,761 Location: SFCA Expertise: I love coffee
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Posted Sat Nov 15, 2003, 10:55am Subject: Re: "Ristretto" the word.
narc Said:
Not sure of the word origin. But unlike the previous posts, same extraction time as a double (25-30sec) with a finer grind resulting in a restricted volume of 15-25ml. So now I'm not sure of the exact definition of ristretto. IMO, the bottom line is if you like what your tasting/sensing & it's a restricted volume it's "ristretto" no matter what amt of grind, degree of grind, tamping pressure & extraction time.
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