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SWR
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Posted Sat Oct 14, 2006, 9:09am
Subject: Let's talk PF baskets!
 

Who's using what PF baskets these days?

I'm curious to know who's using stock vs. other baskets (e.g., LM ridged and/or ridgeless).  Single, double, or triple?

Lately I've been thinking of changing my stock QM Anita baskets for something deeper like the LM so I can get more puck clearance. If I updose to 18g with the stock double basket, the puck comes into contact with the screen.

Let's hear what 'cha use lately!
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Posted Sat Oct 14, 2006, 11:53am
Subject: Re: Let's talk PF baskets!
 

I've been using ridgeless baskets exclusively - and those seem to only be aftermarket. I have several ridgless doubles from all over and 2 ridgeless triples from Espresso Source (those are the only ridgeless triples I could find - and even then only after posting on a forum looking).  Ridgeless baskets allow me to use a PF spring and knockbox but the baskets still slip in easily with no "click" to upset a puck.

This works best for me because I prefer to prepare my shot in the basket alone while the PF stays in the group.

 
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Posted Sat Oct 14, 2006, 4:00pm
Subject: Re: Let's talk PF baskets!
 

Right now, the best basket I've ever used has to be the Synesso double basket. It's what I've been using for half a year now, and until something better comes along (and I'm hoping it will at some point, because there's a lot of work to do in baskets), it's got features I find valuable in proper extraction:

  • the steel used is thicker than most other filter baskets I have (and I have about 200), so less flex from tamping or pump pressure.
  • the hole pattern seems more consistent and less random than other baskets
  • the placing of the hole pattern overall is well centred in the bottom of the filter basket - LM baskets seem all over the map these days in this regard
  • there are no initial plugged holes in the filter baskets (I'd say about 50% of the filter baskets I have would show some manufacturing defects in the filter holes - some are simply not pressed all the way through)
  • almost all the filter holes are an even size to the naked eye - can't say the same about the 2 dozen or so LM double baskets I have.

Filter baskets need a LOT of work though. We're still using early 20th century technology in these things - time to really rethink things like

  • materials used
  • design size
  • more precise hole cutting, placement and orientation
  • creating a more "matrix" design methodology to the holes themselves (ie, perhaps have groupings of different precice hole sizes)
  • structural integrity of the baskets.

And a lot more.

But until this happens, the Synesso Cyncra double basket is my primary choice.

Mark
PS For singles, I'm still rocking the LM single - which is a great single basket.

 
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Posted Sat Oct 14, 2006, 4:21pm
Subject: Re: Let's talk PF baskets!
 

Coffeekid Said:

the Synesso Cyncra double basket is my primary choice.

Can you please post a pic of it Mark? {;-)













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Posted Sun Oct 15, 2006, 1:03am
Subject: Re: Let's talk PF baskets!
 

CraigA Said:

Can you please post a pic of it Mark? {;-)

Posted October 14, 2006 link

Not at the moment, tomorrow I can.

Meanwhile, u can pick them up pretty cheaply, IF Mark sells them (dunno if he does or not to non-Synesso owners):

http://www.synesso.com/AccessoryPriceList.shtml

Under $5. Worth three times that amount.

Mark

 
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Posted Sun Oct 15, 2006, 3:46am
Subject: Re: Let's talk PF baskets!
 

MarkPrince Said:

Under $5. Worth three times that amount.

Posted October 15, 2006 link

I did look at that price list, thanks Mark.


P.S. On a side note, I'll be at the HostEx Show 2006., Canada's largest hospitality trade show today. It starts @ 10:00am in 2 hrs & I'll be meeting/seeing Brad Ford, Canada's Intelly rep & Wicked Cafe owner. {:-D

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There will be a Clover at the show & Brad's bringing a new La Spaziale Vivaldi S1!

Rumor has it that one of Alistar Durie's of the Elysian Room, crew (Matt) will be opening a shop in Toronto! {:-)

 
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Posted Sun Oct 15, 2006, 5:48am
Subject: Re: Let's talk PF baskets!
 

MarkPrince Said:

Meanwhile, u can pick them up pretty cheaply, IF Mark sells them (dunno if he does or not to non-Synesso owners):

http://www.synesso.com/AccessoryPriceList.shtml

Under $5. Worth three times that amount.

Posted October 15, 2006 link

Looks like we need to get a group buy going to put together an order over $50 because orders under that amount are subject to a $15 handling fee. I would be in for 3 doubles and 2 triple baskets, anyone else interested in pitching in together?

 
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Posted Sun Oct 15, 2006, 6:01am
Subject: Re: Let's talk PF baskets!
 

I'll be in for 2 doubles

 
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Posted Sun Oct 15, 2006, 7:05am
Subject: Re: Let's talk PF baskets!
 

Cajun_brew Said:

I'll be in for 2 doubles

Posted October 15, 2006 link

OK - that's enough for me to contact Synesso - so I sent them a note and offered to buy some baskets.  I'll keep you updated (and I will have a few extra so please chime in if anyone else is interested)

 
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Posted Sun Oct 15, 2006, 7:17am
Subject: Re: Let's talk PF baskets!
 

Hi Jon,

Just the other day I was thinking that it was about time to pick up a few new baskets.  These Synesso ones sound like they'd be worth trying.  If you've got one or two extra doubles and/or and extra tripple, I'll gladly purchase a few from you.  Many thanks for coordinating this.

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