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coffeetroninc
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Posted Fri Jan 21, 2011, 4:55pm
Subject: Italian Bialetti Moka Express now made in China? Since when?
 

Hi I am new on this forum. I hope maybe someone here can help me on this subject.

In April Bialetti announced its plans to move production of the Moka Express over to China. It is believed that since then they started to produce in China but nobody knows exactly when. Due to some strange law in Italy it is allowed to put 'Made in Italy' on a product, even if it isn't, you can't tell by looking at their products. Maybe someone here knows a way to determine if a Bialetti is Chinese or Italian made?

And who knows how to read the datecircles and codes on the inside of the Bialetti Moka Express lid? Is there a way to determine if my fairly new 2-cup Moka is Chinese or Italian?

The code says the number 1001 and a circle with a 10 and 3 little dots, and YZ/B2. Does that mean it is made in 3rd month of 2010?

Anybody here knows something more on this subject?
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Posted Fri Jan 21, 2011, 9:37pm
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Why would any company in Italy want to put "Made In China" on their product when it was made in Italy?  That can't be right.

Len

 
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Posted Sat Jan 22, 2011, 3:28am
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No, the thing is they outsource it to China, ship it back to Italy, stamp 'Made in Italy' on it and Italian law sais that's OK. For buyers it is very hard to determine if you have a genuine Italian or a Chinese product. That's why I was wondering if anyone here, maybe a Bialetti-collector, knows other ways to determine the origin of my Moka Express 2-cup.
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Posted Sat Jan 22, 2011, 8:24pm
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Eastern Europe, China, what's the difference??!! Click Here (www.blogdolcevita.com) I do not find anything about it moving to China. Can you post a source of your info of moving to China?
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Posted Sat Jan 22, 2011, 9:48pm
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coffeetroninc Said:

No, the thing is they outsource it to China, ship it back to Italy, stamp 'Made in Italy' on it and Italian law sais that's OK. For buyers it is very hard to determine if you have a genuine Italian or a Chinese product. That's why I was wondering if anyone here, maybe a Bialetti-collector, knows other ways to determine the origin of my Moka Express 2-cup.

Posted January 22, 2011 link

I did some research and discovered that the actual ones made IN the country of Italy have the original thick Italian mustache on the Bialetti man, while the ones made IN the country of China have him sporting a Fu Manchu.

I guess a picture is worth a thousand words?

Len

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Posted Sat Jan 22, 2011, 11:14pm
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coffeetroninc Said:

No, the thing is they outsource it to China, ship it back to Italy, stamp 'Made in Italy' on it and Italian law sais that's OK. For buyers it is very hard to determine if you have a genuine Italian or a Chinese product. That's why I was wondering if anyone here, maybe a Bialetti-collector, knows other ways to determine the origin of my Moka Express 2-cup.

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Seriously? Got a reference for that?

If this is true, how do we know our machines are made in Italy?
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Posted Sun Jan 23, 2011, 2:34am
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Here som references:

independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/rivals-too- hot-for-italys-classic-coffee-pot-1939878.html
youngandfoodish.com/coffee/closing-of-bialettis-moka-pot-factory-a-bitter-cup-to-swallow/

(have to put www. in front of it)

I agree that it is just as unbelievable as Italian sportscar maker Ferrari moving to Korea, but I am not making this up :)
It is sad...
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Posted Mon Jan 24, 2011, 11:57am
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CoffeeRoastersClub Said:

I did some research and discovered that the actual ones made IN the country of Italy have the original thick Italian mustache on the Bialetti man, while the ones made IN the country of China have him sporting a Fu Manchu.

I guess a picture is worth a thousand words?

Len

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Great!
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Posted Mon Jan 24, 2011, 12:00pm
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Was in the local Italian appliances shop today, and they had e new shipment of Bialetti's. Funny thing is that the latest pots no longer have Made in Italy  on the bottom, but 'designed in Italy since 1933'. Different stamps in the lid. Different details in the watetank. Pure China.
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Posted Mon Jan 24, 2011, 12:18pm
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coffeetroninc Said:

Was in the local Italian appliances shop today, and they had e new shipment of Bialetti's. Funny thing is that the latest pots no longer have Made in Italy  on the bottom, but 'designed in Italy since 1933'. Different stamps in the lid. Different details in the watetank. Pure China.

Posted January 24, 2011 link

"Designed in Italy" by thoughtful artisans, "Made in China" by child slave labor.

Len

 
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