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Posted Tue Aug 2, 2011, 6:21am
Subject: Espresso vs. Drip....
 

Is it just me or does anyone else feel like Espresso gives you a bigger jolt or at least a more steady effect of the caffeine?

I can usually have one double cappa in the morning and be fine all day. When I drink drip coffee I need to have cup after cup. Same goes for press pot.

Anyone else feel the same way?
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Posted Tue Aug 2, 2011, 11:05am
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I certainly enjoy espresso, not only for the wonderful taste and experience, but also for that "jolt" of energy.  The truth is, however, that generally espresso has the same amount or a lesser amount of caffeine than drip or press pot.  An 8 ounce cup of coffee has about 100 mg of caffeine and 8 ounces of press pot would be about the same. A "serving" of espresso (a doppio, about 1.5 or 2 oz) has about 100 mg also.  Of course, all these numbers can vary wildly because of the plethora of variables.
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Posted Tue Aug 2, 2011, 11:19am
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Rate of consumption could be a factor also, I think.
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Posted Tue Aug 2, 2011, 2:46pm
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It has always been my understanding the the longer the same amount weight wise of grinds steep per extraction method the more caffeine extraction.  This would put the highest caffeine content on press pot, the lowest on  espresso.  However if you drink an 8 fluid oz. cup of press vs. 8 fluid oz. cup of espresso, I would give the edge to the espresso for sure.   Note I said 8 fluid oz.  each.

You may also look at the cappa you are drinking.  Do you put sugar on it?  If so there would be some sugar jolt there.  

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Posted Tue Aug 2, 2011, 5:51pm
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CoffeeRoastersClub Said:

it has always been my understanding the the longer the same amount weight wise of grinds steep per extraction method the more caffeine extraction.  this would put the highest caffeine content on press pot, the lowest on  espresso.  however if you drink an 8 fluid oz cup of press vs 8 fluid oz cup of espresso, i would give the edge to the espresso for sure.   note i said 8 fluid oz each.

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len, i think you meandered through that nicely.

same coffee & same grind & same pressure, the longer "steep" pulls out more of everything, including caffeine.  of course, grinding finer, and shooting 9 bars of water through a tamped puck will produce thicker coffee, including more concentrated with caffeine.

by volume, espresso has the most caffeine, but by serving size?  you could probably find info about this online, but i always wonder what kind of coffee they used and if the machines and baristas were capable?  for similar reasons, i always question the studies done that compare "levels of bitter in different brew methods."  it'd be great if a micro roaster did their own caffeine level test. . .

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Posted Tue Aug 2, 2011, 6:09pm
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harrymanback Said:

len, i think you meandered through that nicely.

same coffee & same grind & same pressure, the longer "steep" pulls out more of everything, including caffeine.  of course, grinding finer, and shooting 9 bars of water through a tamped puck will produce thicker coffee, including more concentrated with caffeine.

by volume, espresso has the most caffeine, but by serving size?  you could probably find info about this online, but i always wonder what kind of coffee they used and if the machines and baristas were capable?  for similar reasons, i always question the studies done that compare "levels of bitter in different brew methods."  it'd be great if a micro roaster did their own caffeine level test. . .

harry.

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Meandered?  I'd say bullshitted would be a more proper term!

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Posted Tue Aug 2, 2011, 6:53pm
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a quick search and i found caffeine contents all over the map.  the only consistency is that what type of bean you're using matters a lot.  so i'd like to refine my request: any micro-roasters out there wanna do this experiment, make sure it's all with the same lot of green, and maybe do a second sample set with a different bean.  ex, sample 1 pour-over, press, espresso, etc with ethiopia sidamo; sample 2 pour-over, press, espresso, etc with brazil orange bourbon. . .

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Posted Tue Aug 2, 2011, 8:17pm
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I also heard somewhere that the longer the grinds are in contact with the hot water, the more caffeine will be extracted.  I built a setup that allows me to vary just about everything on my machine, so I found a way to "pre-infuse" my puck for 25 seconds.  I put water in the grouphead with a little less than 1 bar of pressure and gradually decreased the pressure so no water collected on the basket until the shot was pulled.  My experience was what seemed like more caffeine. (my buzz lasted longer into the day)  I've been using the exact same bean and roast the whole time I've modded my machine to eliminate that variable as much as possible.  The only problem was it sacrificed a lot of crema.  It was a fun experiment though.

I'm now doing a 6 second pre-infusion (also tapering off) at 1 bar at it's worked the best so far.
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Posted Wed Aug 3, 2011, 3:43am
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mthedude Said:

Is it just me or does anyone else feel like Espresso gives you a bigger jolt or at least a more steady effect of the caffeine?

I can usually have one double cappa in the morning and be fine all day. When I drink drip coffee I need to have cup after cup. Same goes for press pot...

Posted August 2, 2011 link

An espresso shot actually contains less caffeine than a cup of drip coffee. However, because of the milk in your cappa your body takes up the caffeine slower and over a longer period of time.

 
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Posted Wed Aug 3, 2011, 4:06am
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Hi,

Re the amount of caffeine in drip vs espresso, my understanding is the difference is primarily in the roast.  The darker the roast (longer roasting time), the less caffeine.  I'm not an espresso drinker, but isn't espresso roasted longer than Dark or French for drip brewing?

 
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