Ian Moderator Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 1,402 Location: England
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Posted Fri Feb 17, 2012, 2:33am Subject: Re: Beans Are Ageing Way To Fast
dman777 Said:
I love this hobby, but it gets to the point I'm scared to post because I'll ether create a great controversy or I will get flamed continuously. I really dread posting on here sometimes because of it. I'm sure you'll justify it in some way or another. I don't think I should get flamed like this and I have to deal with confrontations like this. I'm here to discuss this hobby I enjoy, ask questions, and give my input as normal human beings do when they have conversations. I honestly feel like posts like yours that attack me and take away from the discussion that is the real spamming.
To be fair, I think you get this kind of thing on most forums and I think that CG is a lot tamer than some of the other forums that I frequent. Maybe some tetchiness is exacerbated here due to excessive caffeine intake ;)
If you can learn to ignore posters you don't like and disregard posts you don't agree with, then those are good skills to acquire and make navigating forums a much more pleasant experience. Give it a go.
dman777 Senior Member Joined: 26 Dec 2011 Posts: 236 Location: austin Expertise: I like coffee
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Posted Sat Feb 18, 2012, 7:47pm Subject: Re: Beans Are Ageing Way To Fast
Joel_B Said:
So where are you at now? Have you done anything different? Has changing containers helped the issue? Coffees gotten expensive, so no good throwing it away prematurely.
1) I have bought beans from the local coffee shop which were already about 10 days old. I made my grind super fine to account for thier age which pulled a good shot, good crema, and good flavor. This goes along with the convention and logic of older epsresso beans.
2) I haven't had the chance to buy some mason jars, but with beans I order(ed) from the internet I stored 1/2 lb beans in the vacuum canistor and just recently opened them up. Before that, I went through my first half pound that I kept in the bag that the beans came in.
The beans I store in my apartment...rather in a bag or in the vacuum canistor, when they begin to age...about 5 days I loose crema. Not really a faster pull, but the shot begins to act as over extracted with little flavor and little crema. After experimenting, I am finding that if I make the grind more coarse, tamp more, and throw on more heat the crema comes back and the shot begins to look good. I'm still working on this and expirementing to make the flavor come back. But this contradicts what one would normally do with aging beans. I suspected it was my technique, but with experience #1...beans that were aged but not stored in my apartment, my technique worked and went along with the standard convention of aging beans. So, I'm puzzled what is happening when the beans age that are kept in my possesion.
To keep everything exact, I use 14 grams and a scale to verify.
mhborstad Senior Member Joined: 18 Feb 2012 Posts: 31 Location: Gatineau Expertise: I like coffee
Posted Sat Feb 18, 2012, 9:37pm Subject: Re: Beans Are Ageing Way To Fast
dman777 Said:
I made my grind super fine to account for thier age which pulled a good shot, good crema, and good flavor. This goes along with the convention and logic of older epsresso beans.
Don't do that. Dial in a grind that tastes good to you and leave it alone. 10 days isn't old coffee.
I haven't had the chance to buy some mason jars
It doesn't matter... spaghetti jars, baby food jars, ziploc bags... minimize air exposure and condensation and you'll be fine.
All the rest... you're changing too many things all at once. You have a GOOD grinder. You have a GOOD machine. You have scales. Don't touch the grind setting, dose 14 g, surf 30s (or whatever, as long as it's the same), pull a 27s shot and taste the result. If it tastes hot adjust your surf. If it tastes cool adjust your surf. If it tastes dull grind coarser and go to 14.5g. If it tastes too bright/intense grind finer and drop to 13.5g. etc.
You can't say things like "I have the grind dialed in" and "I'm not sure if my grind settings are drifting" in the same sentence and expect to get anywhere.
Buy some cheap (decaf even!) beans and commit to a few hours of taste testing. Throw out a bunch of coffee. It all starts to make sense. Promise!
Coffeenoobie Senior Member Joined: 11 Dec 2011 Posts: 2,320 Location: PNW Expertise: I like coffee
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Posted Sun Feb 19, 2012, 12:32am Subject: Re: Beans Are Ageing Way To Fast
It seems to me you get almost the same advice on every thread from many different people. It all seems to boil down to "pull more shots and post less." Maybe I would second the decaf suggestion too....
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