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Posted Sun Apr 8, 2012, 7:13pm
Subject: Re: Fred's NOOB learning machine and how to make good espresso questions thread
 

I have to side with IMAWriter on this one as all artisan roasters I've bought from roast each coffee to maximize flavor, then blend afterward. Open a bag of any blend from a reputable roaster and you should easily see variations to indicate this. This is what "layers" the flavors in a particular profile.

Based on my experience, if you have a really dark coffee blended with something quite a bit lighter the darker component can age and go rancid much quicker. This can drastically limit the amount of time one has to work with a particular coffee.
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Posted Sun Apr 8, 2012, 7:20pm
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JD in the two pulls where I used only the lighter beans I weighed out the dark beans I removed.  They were 5.1 and 6.1 grams respectively.  Hmm, I see my math skilz are as top drawer as ever.  That puts the dark component at 24% and 27.5% respectively: a 3.5% difference between the two.  Can I taste that difference?  I don't know.

If I take a whiff of the Peru dark that I was given in a sample, it smells of the taste I find overbearing in the blend.  Maybe I just don't like a darker roast bean (full city, full city+, French roast??)

Now, I have gone back to their website and they do list one French roast.  Does that mean that their (premium) dark is something different than French roast? who knows.  I'm going to email them to see what their roast levels equate to.
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Posted Sun Apr 8, 2012, 11:20pm
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just curious but are you still using the pressurized portafilter on your aroma?
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Posted Mon Apr 9, 2012, 9:51am
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frank828 Said:

just curious but are you still using the pressurized portafilter on your aroma?

Posted April 8, 2012 link

I forgot to mention that.  I am using the original portafilter, but the pressure components have been removed.
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Posted Sun Apr 15, 2012, 8:57am
Subject: Re: Fred's NOOB learning machine and how to make good espresso questions thread
 

I finally got around to doing something I wasn't looking forward to: doing a French press brewing of the dark roast I did not like the smell of to see if I get the same bitter flavour.  I used 12 oz. and allowed the brew to sit for 3 minutes.

I should not that the beans are 10-12 days post roast so I expect the will have mellowed quite a bit.

Surprisingly, there was barely a hint of bitter in the brew.  I really don't like black coffee, but this was almost drinkable black.  Hmmm.

I'm gathering the materials together for the first mod on my Aroma: a pressure gauge to measure pump pressure and a copper coil to pre-heat water coming in to the boiler during a pull.  I'll see what that does.

Now I'm off for my second cup of the day.  I'm going to increase the dose on this one so the full flavour comes out with milk.
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Posted Sun Apr 15, 2012, 11:32am
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I would think if you smell something you don't like in the beans it would taint the brew.

 
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Posted Sun Apr 15, 2012, 7:28pm
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Coffeenoobie.  That is why I avoided trying the dark roast as long as I did.

The second cup with 16 g (not oz) of beans had more of the taste I don't like.  Definately something I would never contemplate drinking black.  I think its more than just the bitterness, because it wasn't really bitter.  Maybe I just don't like dark roasts.
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