But others don't want to eat them after you touch them.
FedEx field in MD, host to the Redskins is probably similar to every other stadium in the US. Each bathroom, in the stadium, has over 2 dozen toilets and urinals. Every halftime each toilet has a line 10+ deep of waiting pissers. 24+ toilets with about 240+ guys waiting to piss on their hands. I have been to hundreds of games there and every time I go in to a bathroom I look over at the 5, yes only 5, sinks in each bathroom and notice there is no one waiting in line to wash their hands. If guys washed their hands there would have to be dozens of sinks to compliment the number of toilets. However, the architect knows guys don't wash their hands so why waste the money on installing them. People are disgusting and I don't want their piss strewn fingers in my espresso.
Posted Wed May 2, 2012, 4:37pm Subject: Re: Espresso pour video?
pilot25 Said:
But others don't want to eat them after you touch them.
FedEx field in MD, host to the Redskins is probably similar to every other stadium in the US. Each bathroom, in the stadium, has over 2 dozen toilets and urinals. Every halftime each toilet has a line 10+ deep of waiting pissers. 24+ toilets with about 240+ guys waiting to piss on their hands. I have been to hundreds of games there and every time I go in to a bathroom I look over at the 5, yes only 5, sinks in each bathroom and notice there is no one waiting in line to wash their hands. If guys washed their hands there would have to be dozens of sinks to compliment the number of toilets. However, the architect knows guys don't wash their hands so why waste the money on installing them. People are disgusting and I don't want their piss strewn fingers in my espresso.
I personally use my finger. It's much more convenient, plus it gives me greater control over distribution than a knife would. I think I definitely run a greater risk of catching some sort of disease from other sources in daily life, so thoroughly cleaning before making espresso never seemed that important to me. I wash my hands, but that's about it.
pilot25 Senior Member Joined: 7 Jan 2012 Posts: 93 Location: MD
Espresso: Rancilio Silvia Grinder: Preciso
Posted Tue May 8, 2012, 6:52pm Subject: Re: Espresso pour video?
KennyH Said:
You only need to weigh prior to grinding if you're single dosing or using a manual grinder. Otherwise, all you have to do is weigh after you grind. You can weigh after single dosing as well, but you don't really need to once you have a general idea of how much coffee your grinder retains. I do it every time I grind, but I think it's more habit than anything else.
I have found weighing to be a waste of time. I weighed out 14g of espresso and it doesn't fill the portafilter and extracts way too fast no matter how fine the grind. 16g is the level top of the portafilter and I have to level it smooth, with the backside of a knife :) If I just level the portafilter every time it's 16 grams +/- .02. So what's the point of weighing. If you weigh the beans then grind you aren't getting an accurate measurement due to grind loss. I bet most of you are off .05, at least, measuring before grinding. If I don't weigh and level the grind I still get 16ish grams. I bet this is the case with every portafilter.
If you level the portafilter after every grind and dial in 28 seconds then you don't need to weigh. It'll be right around 16grams. If you weigh and push off grinds then you are weighing for no reason because you just pushed off some of the dose you so painstakingly weighed. Every video I watch people weigh and then push off grinds. That's insane.
If it makes you feel good I guess do it but it seems to be a practice in insanity.
Posted Tue May 8, 2012, 11:21pm Subject: Re: Espresso pour video?
pilot25 Said:
If I just level the portafilter every time it's 16 grams +/- .02. So what's the point of weighing. If you weigh the beans then grind you aren't getting an accurate measurement due to grind loss. I bet most of you are off .05, at least, measuring before grinding. If I don't weigh and level the grind I still get 16ish grams. I bet this is the case with every portafilter.
Your claim of "16ish grams...with every portafilter"* is demonstrably false. I investigated level dosing in a variety of filter baskets here. Results were all over the map.
One coffee bean weighs ~0.1g. There may be some credulous souls who believe that you can level dose to within 0.02g (about 1/5 of a coffee bean, or one part in 800) "every time", but I am not one of them. You would be doing exceptionally well to keep it within 10X that dose range (0.2g).
Weigh or don't weigh, your choice. But let's keep the disinformation to a minimum.
* Note: you dose into the filter basket, not the portafilter.
pilot25 Senior Member Joined: 7 Jan 2012 Posts: 93 Location: MD
Espresso: Rancilio Silvia Grinder: Preciso
Posted Thu May 10, 2012, 7:30am Subject: Re: Espresso pour video?
If your results are accurate then clearly the 14-16g target is a myth. Do you really believe the designers of these high priced machines willy-nilly designed these baskets without proper dosing in mind? Each machine is obviously different and require different amounts of grinds to achieve a proper pour.
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