CR Senior Member Joined: 28 Oct 2012 Posts: 1 Location: Toronto Expertise: Just starting
Posted Sun Oct 28, 2012, 4:15pm Subject: New Silvia owner- questions
Hi, I just purchased a used Rancilio Silvia machine with PID along with a Nuova Simonelli grinder. I am completely new to the home espresso art so I have a few questions. I hope they haven't been asked too many and hope you'll bear with me until I get a bit better idea of the process and nuances.
So.. what is the preferred method of making a latte. Should you steam first then pull the shot or vice-versa. The PID seems to be pre-set to 218F which I assume is the brew temp. Is that a good setting to start with while becoming familiar with the machine? If I pull a shot first then I assume I would then switch to steam and let the temp rise to steaming temperature? When I do this the temperature tops out at to 300F (according to the PID) before the machine switches off and the temp drops - does that seem right?
I was also wondering - when you are pulling a shot - at what point is the shot complete. Is it the quantity? the time? and when the shot is complete do you turn off the brew switch to end it?
I know I'll have lots more questions but would appreciate any advice/knowledge at this stage.
Posted Sun Oct 28, 2012, 5:46pm Subject: Re: New Silvia owner- questions
The PID operation sounds much the same as the Auber PID I installed on my Gaggia Classic, which is somewhat comparable as a machine. I measured a 18-20F drop between the boiler and group head using a homemade bodge of a Scace temperature sensor, so 218F as a starting point shouldn't be too bad a starting point. You should adjust that by taste for a particular blend.
I think it's better to brew the shot first, then steam milk - the boiler (on the Classic at least) heats much faster than it cools, and you also don't need to wait the 2-4 minutes for the temperature to stabilize after steaming.
You should stop the shot when the stream of coffee noticeably lightens, and gets less thick looking - this is known as blonding. It can be hard to spot, but a bit of a google should find some demonstration videos. You should note the time and volume of coffee this gives you and use as a guide to adjust the grind setting and amount of grounds. To stop the shot, just turn the brew switch off and remove the cup to avoid the last dribbles.
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Posted Mon Oct 29, 2012, 8:34am Subject: Re: New Silvia owner- questions
^ what he said.
I'd also like to add that as a starting point You should try to adjust your grind so that you are getting about 1.5 oz in 25 +/- 3 seconds...while using the endpoint described above.
Also, I think that when you get in that ballpark, you should draw a shot into the drip tray (no cup), and taste the stream coming down with a small spoon. Start at the middle of the shot and then rapidly, catch a few drops, taste, repeat, over and over again until it tastes horrible. Watch what the stream looks like at the end...and if you have a timer going, even better (but not necessary). Then, you'll have your taste helping you know what the visual cue looks like. This tool helped me a lot when I was getting started.
Afterwards, you play with grind fineness and length of shot until you get it where you want - whether that's a 40 second ristretto or a 30 second normale, and whether that's a 16g or 18g double, or whatever.
There's a lot of good reading out there, for instance "Easy Guide to Better Espresso at Home" (on www.espressomyespresso.com), but there's nothing like hands-on training from a pro barista.
. Always remember the most important thing is what ends up in your cup!
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