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RomeoMike
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Posted Mon Dec 3, 2012, 11:58am
Subject: Should I measure the level of the liquid or the level of the crema?
 

I have a basic question.  I am pulling my shots into shot glasses with graduated lines measuring fluid ounces on the side of the glass. When determining the volume of the shots I am pulling should I use the level of the liquid in the shot or the level of the crema? I am getting as much crema as liquid in my shots and am wondering if I should adjust my grind for 1.5 -2 fl ozs of liquid in approx. 25 seconds or 1.5 - 2 fl ozs of liquid + crema in approx. 25 seconds.

Thanks in advance for your responses.

 
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Posted Mon Dec 3, 2012, 12:06pm
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Sorry, I was trying to post this to Q&A but inadvertently posted it to Machines.

 
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Posted Mon Dec 3, 2012, 12:23pm
Subject: Re: Should I measure the level of the liquid or the level of the crema?
 

Hi Randy,
Thread moved from Espresso: Espresso Machines to Espresso: Questions and Answers.

Welcome to the Coffeegeek forums! {;-)

 
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Posted Mon Dec 3, 2012, 1:22pm
Subject: Re: Should I measure the level of the liquid or the level of the crema?
 

Thanks for the assist, Craig. :)

 
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Posted Mon Dec 3, 2012, 1:26pm
Subject: Re: Should I measure the level of the liquid or the level of the crema?
 

To answer the question, I think you should go by weight - this will be more consistent, particularly between different ages of coffees that will produce more or less crema.  But taste is more important than either volume or weight.
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Posted Mon Dec 3, 2012, 4:37pm
Subject: Re: Should I measure the level of the liquid or the level of the crema?
 

Interesting. Thanks for the suggestion. What weight should I shoot for per double shot 25 second pull? I start with 16g of coffee if that makes a difference.

 
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Posted Mon Dec 3, 2012, 7:25pm
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Read This and then read This. That should about do it.

 
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Posted Tue Dec 4, 2012, 6:35am
Subject: Re: Should I measure the level of the liquid or the level of the crema?
 

Should I measure the level of the liquid or the level of the crema?
YES.

Just do the same thing all the time and adjust from there.

 
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Posted Tue Dec 4, 2012, 8:02am
Subject: Re: Should I measure the level of the liquid or the level of the crema?
 

John,

Thanks for those links!  Those two guys (Andy and Jim) sure know what they're talking about.  I actually saved both of their posts for future reference.  Jim's post especially is going to help me improve my shots from here on out.  This is just the tweak I've needed to improve, and it'll help me way more than a better grinder would.

 
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Posted Tue Dec 4, 2012, 2:01pm
Subject: Re: Should I measure the level of the liquid or the level of the crema?
 

John,
Thanks for the links. That first link is a real eye opener! After pouring over (pun intended) 11 pages of discussion about brew ratio I realize I needed that information and background far more than a simple answer to my question. Being an engineer I love all the geeky stuff surrounding espresso and you have given me another parameter to play with while playing with my equipment, I mean pulling my shots. :)

 
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