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shogan
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Posted Sat Jan 8, 2011, 1:25pm
Subject: Re: Extremely SOUR Shot - Delonghi Bar32
 

Ok following the advice for temp surfing here I pulled 2 different shots this morning. Here is my procedure:

  1. Heat up machine until green light goes on indicating shot is ready to be brewed.
  2. Brew one shot of water only to heat up machine internal parts.
  3. Dose, distribute with WDT, level, and tamp into a single basket.
  4. Turn machine to Steam Mode, when light turns green, bleed off 5/10 seconds of steam into a cup.
  5. Immediately put in porta filter and turn switch the "Brew" mode to pull shot.

Result - 5 Seconds steam bleed: Very black in color, Crema white only on the edges, taste very bitter with a touch of sourness.

Result - 10 Seconds steam bleed: Black in color, crema black and white on top evaporating quickly to the edges, taste bitter but with extra sourness.

For my next time I'm thinking a 10 second steam bleed then wait an additional 15 seconds before pulling the shot.


Any advice for my next trial?
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jaybelknap
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Espresso: delonghi ec-155
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Posted Sat Mar 5, 2011, 7:39am
Subject: Re: Extremely SOUR Shot - Delonghi Bar32
 

try using a double basket instead of a single, i have heard that the single basket is less forgiving.
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clumeng
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Posted Sat Mar 5, 2011, 7:48am
Subject: Re: Extremely SOUR Shot - Delonghi Bar32
 

shogan Said:

Any advice for my next trial?

Posted January 8, 2011 link

Try different beans or a grind that you know is fresh.  I'm sorry if this is a repeating theme but there is a HUGE GIGO (garbage in garbage out) factor with espresso.  I'll save the "get a grinder" thread but the experience you are looking for is going to be highly dependent upon what you put in the machine and less the machine itself.  

It is highly likely that with the same preground Illy coffee I'd get the same appearance and taste with my DB setup.  As to others getting "good results" with the same setup, taste is very subjective so this is hard to compare.  

I think that you are certainly learning how to better control the parameters of the machine re: temperature.  I think you are reaching the limit with what you can do without changing the input significantly if you are going for thick crema without sourness or extreme bitterness.
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Posted Sat Mar 5, 2011, 7:50am
Subject: Re: Extremely SOUR Shot - Delonghi Bar32
 

You might have watched it already, but Seattle Coffee Gear has a "crew review" on YouTube for this unit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jbuRTyWn9A

 
I chew coffee beans with my teeth while gargling with 195 F water to enjoy coffee. What is this "coffee brewing" device you speak of?
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Posted Fri Dec 21, 2012, 9:06pm
Subject: Re: Extremely SOUR Shot - Delonghi Bar32
 

shogan Said:

Based on the post about removing the spring gasket on a EC155:

http://coffeegeek.com/forums/espresso/machines/510409

I'm thinking of removing the spring gasket on my Bar32 and trying this. The only issue I can see is that there is a gap between the filter plate and the bottom of the porta filter basket. I'm not sure if this will cause more problems then its worth but I will try it.

In lieu of that, does anyone know where I can get a non-pressurized porta filter basket for the Delonghi Bar32? It fits a 51mm porta filter.

Thanks.

Posted January 7, 2011 link

If you haven't figured it out. The La Pavoni Millenium 51mm basket works great. If you haven't already, i'd also remove all the plastic from the portafilter that comes into contact with the coffee.
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Posted Mon Dec 24, 2012, 7:50am
Subject: Re: Extremely SOUR Shot - Delonghi Bar32
 

shogan Said:

One more question - I wasn't able to find a definitive answer as to whether I can use a non pressurized porta filter with this machine (no rubber gasket on the inside of the basket). Does anyone know whether its possible and/or whether its worth it to try?

Posted January 7, 2011 link

Recent mod to my BAR32:
"deLonghi BAR32 portafilter mod to depressurize"
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TheEndJustifiesTheBeans
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Posted Sat Jun 15, 2013, 9:16pm
Subject: Re: Extremely SOUR Shot - Delonghi Bar32
 

I am somewhat curious why someone who is just starting out would reject the advice of someone with $4000 invested in a grinder and machine, with over 1000 posts and who roasts their own coffee?

Illy has invested considerably more in producing consistently high-quality coffee and is the leading brand in Italy a country that knows more about espresso than the rest of the world combined. And, in this instance, the original poster says that other people report good results with this coffee, so it seems to me quite reasonable to assume that it's NOT the problem.

The vast majority of Italian coffee shops use commercial beans such as Illy and make awesome espresso, so beginners should be wary of posters who disparage these types of brands. You may not get a full, rich flavour from pre-ground Illy in a cheap espresso machine, but it's ridiculously dismissive to say that you won't be able to make drinkable coffee.

To be clear, Illy is a third-generation family-owned company that pretty much invented the espresso machine. It also invented the process of packing coffee with inert gases to preserve freshness, and has been doing so for 80 years. This is coffee that has stood the test of time in the most demanding coffee market in the world. Dismiss it at your peril.

(I realise this is an old thread, but wanted to add this for the benefit of people who might be led down the garden path.)
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CMIN
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Posted Sun Jun 16, 2013, 6:46am
Subject: Re: Extremely SOUR Shot - Delonghi Bar32
 

TheEndJustifiesTheBeans Said:

Illy has invested considerably more in producing consistently high-quality coffee and is the leading brand in Italy a country that knows more about espresso than the rest of the world combined. And, in this instance, the original poster says that other people report good results with this coffee, so it seems to me quite reasonable to assume that it's NOT the problem.

The vast majority of Italian coffee shops use commercial beans such as Illy and make awesome espresso, so beginners should be wary of posters who disparage these types of brands. You may not get a full, rich flavour from pre-ground Illy in a cheap espresso machine, but it's ridiculously dismissive to say that you won't be able to make drinkable coffee.

To be clear, Illy is a third-generation family-owned company that pretty much invented the espresso machine. It also invented the process of packing coffee with inert gases to preserve freshness, and has been doing so for 80 years. This is coffee that has stood the test of time in the most demanding coffee market in the world. Dismiss it at your peril.

(I realise this is an old thread, but wanted to add this for the benefit of people who might be led down the garden path.)

Posted June 15, 2013 link

illy and top quality/consistancy? Uhhh no. Having been to Italy quite a few times, Illy there is no better then in the states, which is to say pretty well below the good roasters here. Their beans are darker tasting more like roast (though not as bad as starbucks). And beans are stale by the time you get them. They may have been awesome long ago but they've become like any other mass roaster now.
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