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DavecUK
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Posted Tue Feb 5, 2013, 9:39pm
Subject: Re: Hi i'm new here, and my bugatti Diva is new in my house..
 

ZzLine Said:

Now I'll put the Gaggia MM for sale at the secondhand market and considering if the Bugatti Diva is about to suffer the same fate as the grinder!

Posted January 29, 2013 link

Interesting, especially as you seemed quite upset  with me when I mentioned that both items were not great in terms of achieving good espresso and that you would do well to get rid of them?

However, you're getting there, even though you chose a Francis Francis...still going for style over substance ;-)
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Posted Wed Feb 6, 2013, 1:33am
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DavecUK Said:

However, you're getting there, even though you chose a Francis Francis...still going for style over substance ;-)

Posted February 5, 2013 link

Did you read all of this, Dave? ;-)
http://coffeegeek.com/proreviews/detailed/francisfrancisx3


IMAWriter Said:

Have you purchased a new tamper as yet? Or did I miss that?

Posted February 5, 2013 link

No I haven't yet, IMAWriter.
And the reason is cause I need 57mm.
I'll won't add hundreds of NOK of cash on a tamper.
They are an obsolete and then expensive.
So with shipping, taxes and charges Norway want, it's not worth it.
My machine is curved under, so I wanna try both i guess.
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Posted Wed Feb 6, 2013, 7:29am
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ZzLine Said:

Did you read all of this, Dave? ;-)
http://coffeegeek.com/proreviews/detailed/francisfrancisx3

Posted February 6, 2013 link

Did YOU?!?!?!  The review is 10 years old, and no longer valid in any way, shape, or form as a) the machines are not the same now as they were a decade ago, and b) so many other machines have entered the market that are far superior in the SBDU class.

Is an F!F! solely a "joke"?  No, of course not.  As Dave said, you are getting there . . .

 
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Posted Wed Feb 6, 2013, 8:52am
Subject: Re: Hi i'm new here, and my bugatti Diva is new in my house..
 

ZzLine Said:

Did you read all of this, Dave? ;-)
http://coffeegeek.com/proreviews/detailed/francisfrancisx3




No I haven't yet, IMAWriter.
And the reason is cause I need 57mm.
I'll won't add hundreds of NOK of cash on a tamper.
They are an obsolete and then expensive.
So with shipping, taxes and charges Norway want, it's not worth it.
My machine is curved under, so I wanna try bought i guess.

Posted February 6, 2013 link

Obsolete?
Hardly. I'm not sure what you are reading, or THINKING, for that matter.
We acknowledge that distribution of the grind in the basket is VERY important, but a level tamp, making sure the edges of the basket are sealed is as well.
You will NEVER get consistency shot after shot without a proper stainless steel tamper.
No one said doing proper espresso at home was cheap. perhaps you should have done a bit more research.

That said, I can't imagine not finding a fairly inexpensive 57mm tamper from a Euro source.
You are buying and selling gear (mostly lower grade) at an alarming rate. At least use the money you get back for a tamper.
Then BEFORE you purchase next time, ASK for advice. We are here to help. But please know that the espresso world has begun changing a bit more rapidly...new machines, grinders, etc so LOOK at the date of a published article as well as it's content.

 
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Posted Wed Feb 6, 2013, 10:59am
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A local machine shop could make you a tamper out of metal and put screw threads on top and you can get your friend to make you a wooden handle if you can't buy one locally.

Tamper is basic equipment.  And one of the reason people like the pro sized portafilters is the tampers and baskets will work from machine to machine that way because they are about the same size.....

 
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Posted Wed Feb 6, 2013, 2:29pm
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IMAWriter Said:

You will NEVER get consistency shot after shot without a proper stainless steel tamper.

Posted February 6, 2013 link

...or brass...or copper (dare I add aluminum and wood?)

EDIT:  just found this website.  They sell some beautiful tampers!  http://www.cafe-kultur.com/partner-worldwide/

 
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Posted Wed Feb 6, 2013, 9:30pm
Subject: Re: Hi i'm new here, and my bugatti Diva is new in my house..
 

IMAWriter Said:

You will NEVER get consistency shot after shot without a proper stainless steel tamper.

Posted February 6, 2013 link

This is completely false. You can tamp with whatever is handy - and a perfect fit is not a requirement either. With a quality grinder some don't bother tamping at all - just leveling off the top.

 
I chew coffee beans with my teeth while gargling with 195 F water to enjoy coffee. What is this "coffee brewing" device you speak of?
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Posted Wed Feb 6, 2013, 10:48pm
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EricBNC Said:

This is completely false. You can tamp with whatever is handy - and a perfect fit is not a requirement either. With a quality grinder some don't bother tamping at all - just leveling off the top.

Posted February 6, 2013 link

Eric, I beg to differ.
What you say can work with a lever...I KNOW this, but a NON professional, a Beginner, as is our OP  will find better consistency with a nice level tamp, especially to prevent edge channeling.
Your statement "a perfect fit is not a requirement either?"
Sorry, I believe that is not correct, or craftsmen like Reg Barber, Richard Penney, and others would have been out of business LONG ago.
I posted regarding CONSISTENCY. Period.

 
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Posted Thu Feb 7, 2013, 12:17am
Subject: Re: Hi i'm new here, and my bugatti Diva is new in my house..
 

You think what you want about the importance of that steel tamper - I will use mine or what ever else is handy (wood, plastic, spice bottle, etc) and pull the same shot most every time. It comes back to dose and grind - that is where consistency matters. A scale is a better tool for improving consistency - even if a nice looking tamper looks better than a scale...

 
I chew coffee beans with my teeth while gargling with 195 F water to enjoy coffee. What is this "coffee brewing" device you speak of?
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