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emradguy
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Joined: 31 Mar 2011
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Espresso: Duetto II; Twist v2
Grinder: M Major, Macap M4 x2, VDD...
Drip: Espro presses; Aeropress
Roaster: H-B "List of Favorites"
Posted Mon Feb 11, 2013, 9:54am
Subject: Re: Help is needed to decide my espresso machine and grinder!
 

Having used my Duetto II for over a year, without the option to plumb in, I am not only envious of your adjacent sink, but scratching my head wondering what you're waiting for?  If it were me, I'd have drilled the hole in the counter and set up an inline carbon filter and softener while waiting for the machine to arrive.

 
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gearbolt
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Joined: 9 Aug 2007
Posts: 39
Location: San Jose, CA
Expertise: I love coffee

Espresso: Izzo Alex Duetto 3.0
Grinder: Mahlkonig K30 Vario
Vac Pot: Kona
Roaster: TBD
Posted Mon Feb 11, 2013, 12:24pm
Subject: Re: Help is needed to decide my espresso machine and grinder!
 

emradguy Said:

Having used my Duetto II for over a year, without the option to plumb in, I am not only envious of your adjacent sink, but scratching my head wondering what you're waiting for?  If it were me, I'd have drilled the hole in the counter and set up an inline carbon filter and softener while waiting for the machine to arrive.

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Ha ha ha.   :)    You are absolutely right.   If I were single, I would just do these things right away.  When I took the photos
I on purpose move the setup away from the faucet since I know people will start asking why you are still using the water tank
and empty the drip tray by hands.  

We just finished our remodeling a year ago and at that time I wasn't thinking to go down the semi-auto espresso road since
I had a super-auto when I planed for the interior setups.  That was a big mistake I made.     ;(

Anyway, I am thankful that my wife "allows" me to have such huge machines in the kitchen.  You won't see any unnecessary
appliances in our kitchen.  All of them are either built-in or hidden inside the doors/panels.    

I plan to teach her to make her own capp.  I hope that once she gets involved more and knows the tasks of adding water in
the tank and dump the drip tray water, she will come to her "sense".  

Oh, by the way, I use the Chrome's Incognito window for the post.  :)
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gearbolt
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Location: San Jose, CA
Expertise: I love coffee

Espresso: Izzo Alex Duetto 3.0
Grinder: Mahlkonig K30 Vario
Vac Pot: Kona
Roaster: TBD
Posted Mon Feb 11, 2013, 12:26pm
Subject: Re: Help is needed to decide my espresso machine and grinder!
 

The rattling of the drip tray is because of this on the left side of the tray:

gearbolt: Machine_Espresso-2.jpg
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gearbolt
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Location: San Jose, CA
Expertise: I love coffee

Espresso: Izzo Alex Duetto 3.0
Grinder: Mahlkonig K30 Vario
Vac Pot: Kona
Roaster: TBD
Posted Mon Feb 11, 2013, 12:27pm
Subject: Re: Help is needed to decide my espresso machine and grinder!
 

gearbolt Said:

The rattling of the drip tray is because of this on the left side of the tray:

Posted February 11, 2013 link

The right side is OK :

gearbolt: Machine_Espresso-1-4.jpg
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Coffeenoobie
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Espresso: N S Oscar
Grinder: K30 & Vario W
Posted Mon Feb 11, 2013, 12:46pm
Subject: Re: Help is needed to decide my espresso machine and grinder!
 

Great grinder and I am glad you are happy with your machine.  It takes a lb or 2 to get going and so people only getting one lb when they first start are out of beans just about the time they get it dialed in. (I did that)  So you did good getting a 5lb bag to start off with.

 
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emradguy
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Espresso: Duetto II; Twist v2
Grinder: M Major, Macap M4 x2, VDD...
Drip: Espro presses; Aeropress
Roaster: H-B "List of Favorites"
Posted Mon Feb 11, 2013, 1:58pm
Subject: Re: Help is needed to decide my espresso machine and grinder!
 

gearbolt Said:

Ha ha ha.   :)    You are absolutely right.   If I were single, I would just do these things right away.  When I took the photos
I on purpose move the setup away from the faucet since I know people will start asking why you are still using the water tank
and empty the drip tray by hands.  

We just finished our remodeling a year ago and at that time I wasn't thinking to go down the semi-auto espresso road since
I had a super-auto when I planed for the interior setups.  That was a big mistake I made.     ;(

Anyway, I am thankful that my wife "allows" me to have such huge machines in the kitchen.  You won't see any unnecessary
appliances in our kitchen.  All of them are either built-in or hidden inside the doors/panels.    

I plan to teach her to make her own capp.  I hope that once she gets involved more and knows the tasks of adding water in
the tank and dump the drip tray water, she will come to her "sense".  

Oh, by the way, I use the Chrome's Incognito window for the post.  :)

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awesome!  you're lucky she's involved.  Once she gets tired of filling the reservoir and dumping the drip tray before it overflows, you'll get the green light for plumbing in.  My wife will just go to *$$ if I'm not around to make her lattes.  So, well...I'm going to have to wait until my she's ready to give up our breakfast area for a freestanding bar, because the estimate I just got to bring plumbing to where my machine is, came back in the several thousands - yikes!

 
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gearbolt
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Location: San Jose, CA
Expertise: I love coffee

Espresso: Izzo Alex Duetto 3.0
Grinder: Mahlkonig K30 Vario
Vac Pot: Kona
Roaster: TBD
Posted Mon Feb 11, 2013, 2:07pm
Subject: Re: Help is needed to decide my espresso machine and grinder!
 

JasonBrandtLewis Said:

FWIW, I find this is a very consistent grinder -- I only weigh my doses once every week or so, more as a "check" than anything else. It never varies by more than 0.05 grams.  

It's truly a joy to use.

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Yes, I also feel that the K30 Vario grinder's timer/grind amount is consistent and that was the main reason I just used the
timer to control my dosing.  Almost each time when I did the grind re-distribution, I could get the same feel of the grind
amount in the PF.  But I did remember that there were one time, I got much less grind in the end (I paused the grind and
then resume).  I think it may be because I stopped the grinder very close to the end of the grind time(?) and somehow
the reminding amount does not have enough push to fall out(?).    

Yes, I absolutely agree with you that it is truly a joy to use the K30 Vario, even compared to the Duetto.  It is so quiet
(compared to my old grinder which is not a real espresso grinder) and very fast.   It is funny that sometimes I wish it could
slow down a bit so I can enjoy the moment.  :)    Maybe it is my caffeine talking.
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qualin
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Espresso: Izzo Alex Duetto 3
Grinder: Mazzer Mini Elect. Type A
Vac Pot: Looking to buy
Drip: Manual
Roaster: Considering?
Posted Mon Feb 11, 2013, 6:59pm
Subject: Re: Help is needed to decide my espresso machine and grinder!
 

JasonBrandtLewis Said:

FWIW, I find this is a very consistent grinder -- I only weigh my doses once every week or so, more as a "check" than anything else. It never varies by more than 0.05 grams.

Posted February 11, 2013 link

Maybe my own grinder is at fault. I can grind for the exact same amount of time and get as much as a 1.5 gram variance. 14.4 grams on one double, 15.8 on another.. same exact grind time.
Could be my coffee... Otherwise, I'm not sure what is causing the large variances. I use Grindz every time I switch to a new batch of beans and grind at least 5 grams of coffee before using it.

 
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gearbolt
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gearbolt
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Location: San Jose, CA
Expertise: I love coffee

Espresso: Izzo Alex Duetto 3.0
Grinder: Mahlkonig K30 Vario
Vac Pot: Kona
Roaster: TBD
Posted Sat Feb 16, 2013, 8:11pm
Subject: Re: Help is needed to decide my espresso machine and grinder!
 

qualin Said:

Maybe my own grinder is at fault. I can grind for the exact same amount of time and get as much as a 1.5 gram variance. 14.4 grams on one double, 15.8 on another.. same exact grind time.
Could be my coffee... Otherwise, I'm not sure what is causing the large variances. I use Grindz every time I switch to a new batch of beans and grind at least 5 grams of coffee before using it.

Posted February 11, 2013 link

I actually weight the grinds 3 times at different times.  
They are all 16.5g for 3.3 sec.    My scale is only down to
0.1g resolution.   It is not bad at all.  ;)
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gearbolt
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gearbolt
Joined: 9 Aug 2007
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Location: San Jose, CA
Expertise: I love coffee

Espresso: Izzo Alex Duetto 3.0
Grinder: Mahlkonig K30 Vario
Vac Pot: Kona
Roaster: TBD
Posted Sat Feb 16, 2013, 10:43pm
Subject: Re: Help is needed to decide my espresso machine and grinder!
 

Finally, I had the courage to try the bottomless PF.

Here is the link :

Click here

It is 21g grinds (Redbird espresso) and brews 2oz in about 30sec.  

I am interested to know what went wrong.   Thanks in advance.

Cheers.

David
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