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MDiddy
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Posted Wed Jul 31, 2013, 11:22pm
Subject: Questions on dosing and timing a shot.
 

Greetings all.

Have a few questions and looking for your feedback.  Did some searching but haven't found a reliable answer.  

For reference, my setup is as follows:  EMC Technika IV, B vario, VST 18g basket.

Now, with the VST baskets, which is the proper way to dose?  The first being to slightly overfill the basket, settle, level, and then tamp?  Or dose to 18g of ground coffee, settle and then tamp?

I ask because in most videos I see on YouTube, etc, the person is using the first method of dosing.  That is to slightly overfill the basket, settle, level, and then tamp.  I started doing this, but found I needed more than 18g to do so.  More around 19.5 to 20g.  When I do does out 18g, I found that there just isn't enough coffee in the VST to fill the basket, and I wind up pushing coffee around trying to fill in the gaps.  Make for more work and much less consistency in my shots.  No matter which coffee I use (and I've used quite a few different blends) 18g always leaves me short of filling the basket.  Which method would be the proper way to dose?

As for timing, this one is pretty simply.  When pulling a shot, do you start timing when the lever is lifted?  Or after the coffee first starts to pour from the PF?  Curious which is the preferred method.

Thanks!
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Posted Thu Aug 1, 2013, 5:46am
Subject: Re: Questions on dosing and timing a shot.
 

Hello,

Dose to a scale, do not try to fill a basket and level from there, this is not an accurate way to work and as in your case, you will be using more coffee than needed as your basket is larger than your dose. I use 18g of coffee and it does not top off on my basket, it is always lower and I just use a curved surface to groom the grounds, in my case, this is the curved handle of a paint brush that I use to clean grounds from the rim of the PF before locking into the machine.

There is a LOT of bad information on Youtube, I am sure you can find something on how to do your own surgery there someplace, I would not trust it however, I would look to a doctor for that. YMMV.

Timing the shot, well just be consistent. I prefer to count from when the first drops appear on my bottomless pf, others wait for it to flow from the spouts of a regular pf and yet others count from the time they start brewing. There is no "right or wrong" way, just be consistent and adjust from there for max flavor.

 
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MDiddy
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Posted Thu Aug 1, 2013, 3:39pm
Subject: Re: Questions on dosing and timing a shot.
 

Thanks for the reply!

Agreed about the Youtube comment.  Can't believe everything you read/see on the internet.  :D  However, watching Scott Callaghan when he doses, it seems like he prefers the fill overfill the basket, and then proceed to settle, level, and tamp.  I know you can' trust everything you see on the internet, but I think it's safe to say, you can trust him.

http://vimeo.com/32732350

And just to play devils advocate on your comment about the dosing.  Filling the basket, in my case, can indeed be accurate, as my Vario allows me to dose the same amount each time with the timing set to a certain amount.  Basically, in order for me to get the basket to a point where it is full and easier to settle and tamp, I can pull 19.5 g each time, and dose this way pretty consistently.

This is where the confusion comes in for me.  After reading numerous posts, both on here, and HB.com, I see dosing done both way, with no definitive statement one way or the other.

I suppose it all simply comes down to which ever method gives you the best tasting shot.
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Posted Thu Aug 1, 2013, 4:10pm
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Yeh I wouldn't much much thought into it, whatever works. The VSTs you want to pretty much be right around what their for ie. you don't want to use 16 or 20 in the 18g basket etc, though I guess you could. I just weigh, dose my stock double basket and never worry about over filling to make the top level, wdt/shake and the fluffed grinds pretty much always settle fairly evenly. Some people make huge mounds just swipe and get the basket level, done that, and no difference in taste or anything.... except for a lot of wasted coffee lol. Ever watch SCG vids? I swear sometimes it looks like they dose another 10g on top making their basket look like it's erecting a pyramid, that's a ton of wasted coffee.... but whatever works for ya lol
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