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D4F
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Posted Thu Aug 1, 2013, 7:34pm
Subject: Re: 2nd shot from Gaggia Classic always excellent
 

How about trying to eliminate the temperature variable.  Try your normal routine and use the Styrofoam cup method to get temperature.  It is more difficult to try it for a second pull as the incoming water may cool more than usual.  Or make a thermofilter and measure temperature  for pulls.  If it is temperature related you are then at the point where a PID really helps.  It would be nice to know.

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D4F
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Posted Mon Aug 5, 2013, 7:33pm
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Toyman, any improvement?  

Any temperature changes?  What is your back flush routine?

 
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Posted Tue Aug 6, 2013, 4:26am
Subject: Re: 2nd shot from Gaggia Classic always excellent
 

Here's my 2c worth.
I pull one shot in the morning before I leave for work, so have had to really work on my technique to get it right.

I have a Gaggia Carezza, so this is what I find works best. You can try it, or not :)

I switch on my machine, immediately open the wand tap and run the pump. I let about 3/4 of a cup of water flow through into a cup or jug.
Switch the pump off, and close the want tap.
Lock your PF handle in place, and run a second or two's worth of water through the PF.

I then go have a shower or do something for 15 or so minutes.

I remove the PF (dry it well), dose + tamp as per normal.

Before I lock and pull, I run a few seconds of water through the unit in to a jug until the light turns off.
Dry the shower with a towel to be sure it's not dripping.

Lock and Pull.

Hope this helps!
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Posted Wed Aug 7, 2013, 1:20pm
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Well gents, I did a rudimentary temp test and found that temps were about 6-7* higher on the first shot.  So, I've been running a full double shot cup thru the PF with no grinds before I grind my beans.  It heats the cup and cools the water temps.  Seems to be working out.  Might be a PID in my future.  Thanks for the help.
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D4F
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Posted Wed Aug 7, 2013, 1:29pm
Subject: Re: 2nd shot from Gaggia Classic always excellent
 

Interesting, with the somewhat expected drop.  From what to what temperature.  Often the Gaggia is too cool without surfing it up, but you are too hot at idle?  Original brew stat?  Any chance a hotter stat was changed in?

 
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trevormc
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Posted Thu Aug 8, 2013, 12:30pm
Subject: Re: 2nd shot from Gaggia Classic always excellent
 

D4F Said:

Interesting, with the somewhat expected drop.  From what to what temperature.  Often the Gaggia is too cool without surfing it up, but you are too hot at idle?  Original brew stat?  Any chance a hotter stat was changed in?

Posted August 7, 2013 link

My Gaggia's stat is 107 deg C

I presume it's correct?
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D4F
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Posted Thu Aug 8, 2013, 9:12pm
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Correct, part 17

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Dunbar42
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Posted Sun Aug 18, 2013, 12:45pm
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Are you weighing the shots to see if you are getting the same quantity of espresso? I use a Gaggia Classic with a Cunill Tranquilo grinder and the second shot will always result in a larger shot if I don't adjust the tamp and/or grind. A larger shot, in my case, will throw off the balance of my cappucinos and result in an inferior flavor profile IME. As long as I adjust the tamp/grind to get the same size shot(s) both cappuccinos taste the same to me. I always temp surf the boiler so, in my case, I don't think there's an appreciable difference in water temperature.

For the record, with the second shot I have to tamp harder and/or adjust the grind one notch finer depending on the espresso blend.
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