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Bill123
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Posted Sun Sep 8, 2013, 12:21pm
Subject: Illy expresso - capsules vs. machine
 

I have a specific question about Illy expresso.  I have the francis francis machine at home to make Illy expresso using the capsules, but of course also buy a cup of Illy expresso when I'm at a nearby Illy coffee house.  I have noticed repeatedly, and at different coffee houses serving Illy coffee, that the expresso at the coffeehouses seems to have a bit of a "sweet" flavor compared to that from my Illy machine at home.  I've called Illy about it, but they say there should be no different in the expresso.  Has anyone else noticed a slightly sweet taste of Illy in the coffee houses, and why that may be?

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Posted Sun Sep 8, 2013, 5:14pm
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Hi and welcome to the board.
VERY few of us ever use Illy Nor would we go to a shop that does. There are FAR too many quality coffees to choose from to buy stale coffee. Two weeks FROM THE DAY IT WAS ROASTED, is the limit for freshness in a roasted coffee.

Add to that the fact that pods are pre ground and hopelessly stale as ground coffee, in addition to the two weeks, has only 15 minutes from the time it is ground until stale.

FF  machines can make good espresso even with their tiney boiler (i had an x5) but to even have half a chance of good espresso, you need fresh coffee, freshly ground by a grinder that is able to grind for espresso. A hand powered grinder starts at about $100 and one with a motor starts at about $400.

This is an expensive hobby to get into but if you value great espresso there is no other way to have it every day than to do it yourself!

 
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Posted Mon Sep 9, 2013, 1:12am
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Only one problem with your setup and coffee in general. It begins with the letter I and ends in Y.

Remove Illy from anything to do with your coffee and things should instantly start to improve.....and, what he said above!
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Posted Mon Sep 9, 2013, 5:27am
Subject: Re: Illy expresso - capsules vs. machine
 

First off as cal was just saying. Illy's pre-ground coffee is usually stale by the time it reaches the brewing stage at someones house.. I know Illy also does stock cafe's with coffee and pre packaged espresso hoppers and such.  I think your experiencing Illy's fresher coffee in the coffee houses. I'd assume the coffee houses get and go through their stock a lot faster. The coffee doesn't sick around long enough to go stale.  Also they aren't brewed in pods either.  Fresh, unpressurized espresso always tastes better than pod.

PS: Illy is the only pod i'd ever consider buying.  even tho I roast on my own If I have the opportunity to grab an Illy from a local repair shop I get a bit excited.
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