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insatiableOne
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Posted Sat Jun 21, 2014, 9:55pm
Subject: why do my shots taste worse when I add sugar?
 

Seriously??? why do they go from bad-> to terrible?
well down the drain is better


Trying to tune in my machine.

In attempt to salvage my shots, by making them palatable. Adding sugar seemed the natural solution. Well, I was wrong with that assumption!
Reminds me of adding cheap perfume to a homeless person. Neither are a good combination.

I usually add sugar to my coffee.
My goal in buying a good machine was to not have to use any sugar to drink it.
Good espresso does not need anything else with it.
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Posted Sun Jun 22, 2014, 6:07am
Subject: Re: why do my shots taste worse when I add sugar?
 

More info is needed...
What beans are you using?
What is the roast date?
What's your dose weight?
What's the output weight?
How long do your shots run?
Which grinder are you using?
Are you using a spouted pf or a bottomless? (Looking to see how easy it would be to see channeling)

 
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Always remember the most important thing is what ends up in your cup!
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Posted Sun Jun 22, 2014, 9:43am
Subject: Re: why do my shots taste worse when I add sugar?
 

Your machine should be fine, I do not have a lever but those that do, love them and can make them work very well.

I have not used your hand grinder but it seems to be of quality and ability to grind for espresso.
The Maestro is only for brewing OTHER than espresso, for that duty, it is a good starter grinder.

There are MANY things in espresso that affect the shot. All the things mentioned above in addition to the temp you are pulling at.

What is wrong with your bad shots?
What do you not like about the shots when you add sugar ?

There is nothing WRONG with adding things to your shots if that is the way you like to drink them. I prefer straight but I do like a good milk based drink too. Sugar is never added to MY drinks though I do have a supply of syrups for people we have over that prefers them.

Espresso has a pretty steep learning curve, only change one thing at a time to see how it affects the shot, if you do more than one thing at a time, you have no idea how the shot was affected by what.

 
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Posted Mon Jun 23, 2014, 11:16am
Subject: Re: why do my shots taste worse when I add sugar?
 

insatiableOne Said:

In attempt to salvage my shots, by making them palatable. Adding sugar seemed the natural solution.

Posted June 21, 2014 link

Adding sugar isn't the natural solution in all cases.  What, specifically makes your shots unpalatable?
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Posted Mon Jun 23, 2014, 2:07pm
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a homeless person would not help you why s !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted Mon Jun 23, 2014, 9:27pm
Subject: Re: why do my shots taste worse when I add sugar?
 

insatiableOne Said:

In attempt to salvage my shots, by making them palatable. Adding sugar seemed the natural solution. Well, I was wrong with that assumption!
Reminds me of adding cheap perfume to a homeless person. Neither are a good combination.
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Posted June 21, 2014 link

I have never heard it said that way.  It is better put as the more common expression, "That is like putting perfume on a pig"..

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Posted Mon Jun 23, 2014, 9:37pm
Subject: Re: why do my shots taste worse when I add sugar?
 

insatiableOne Said:

Reminds me of adding cheap perfume to a homeless person.

Posted June 21, 2014 link

Since lampooning the desperately poor is working out so well, maybe we can take a swipe at the handicapped and have a real laugh.  Or racial.  Racial humor's always good.

CoffeeRoastersClub Said:

I have never heard it said that way.  It is better put as the more common expression, "That is like putting perfume on a pig".

Posted June 23, 2014 link

Let's keep our cliches straight.  The expression is, "lipstick on a pig."  Perfume plays no part.

Rich
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Posted Tue Jun 24, 2014, 6:39am
Subject: Re: why do my shots taste worse when I add sugar?
 

boar_d_laze Said:

Since lampooning the desperately poor is working out so well, maybe we can take a swipe at the handicapped and have a real laugh.
Rich

Posted June 23, 2014 link

OK, it is like having the man with a bad back do the heavy lifting.


Of course, this is 100% in reference to ME and my injury , I did not offend myself :D

 
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Posted Tue Jun 24, 2014, 7:03am
Subject: Re: why do my shots taste worse when I add sugar?
 

boar_d_laze Said:

Since lampooning the desperately poor is working out so well, maybe we can take a swipe at the handicapped and have a real laugh.  Or racial.  Racial humor's always good.

Let's keep our cliches straight.  The expression is, "lipstick on a pig."  Perfume plays no part.

Rich

Posted June 23, 2014 link

Rich, in New England they put Perfume on a pig.  If you lived over here in farm land you would too.  I hear in Vermont they also put lipstick on them to make them look even purtier.

Len

 
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