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SconniLaw88
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Posted Mon Dec 30, 2013, 8:53am
Subject: Help me value this machine/grinder! 98 Rancilio Tecna DE & Super jolly timer
 

Hi everyone!

I came across an ad for this machine and it seems like it is in good shape. The owner bought it from a vendor used (refurbed) about 3 years ago and used it in her business. It was primarily a day care, but had this coffee shop as part of it. Now they are going out of business. Claims she used it for a max of 30 lattes a day and cleaned it daily. She says she descaled/backflushed daily, buy I am not sure I trust that statement. It looks clean overall and it is set up and she's willing to demonstrate it in operation.

I am just wondering what a fair price would be for this machine would be. The Super jolly as well, bought used from a cafe, shows signs of more use... but those things are built to last!

Looking for thoughts on what would be a "fair" price and what would be a good/great deal for them separate and as a package.


Thank you for your help!!

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SconniLaw88
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Posted Mon Dec 30, 2013, 8:54am
Subject: Re: Help me value this machine/grinder! 98 Rancilio Tecna DE & Super jolly timer
 

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Burner0000
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Posted Mon Dec 30, 2013, 9:18am
Subject: Re: Help me value this machine/grinder! 98 Rancilio Tecna DE & Super jolly timer
 

Well this company sells it new for $6757.  Click If the internals look good. and the machine works nicely I'd say $1500 for the espresso machine and $350 for the SJ.  A 98 is a fairly aged machine and the SJ you can find easily for $300-$500 online.

I honestly don't believe that it was descaled daily.  That takes time.  Plus if it's been only spitting out 30 drinks a day then there's no reason for a daily descale even with hard water.  Weekly would be more like it.  Ask to look under the hood. If the external internals look good that there's a fair shot the insides of the pipes might not be that bad off.  None the less if you get it I would do a full descale of the machine.
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SconniLaw88
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Posted Mon Dec 30, 2013, 9:42am
Subject: Re: Help me value this machine/grinder! 98 Rancilio Tecna DE & Super jolly timer
 

Thanks for your input! I agree on the descale claim. Sounds like they back flushed daily, which is better than nothing. I think I'd take the machine in and get it tuned up and gaskets changed, and they said that'd run about 150 as long as there are no surprises under the hood.
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Posted Mon Dec 30, 2013, 10:04am
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Yeah if you can get that price or cheaper it's a good deal if the machine works.  If the cost to clean is more than you can afford these machines aren't hard to tear down and clean yourself. I did it on a 2003 VFA Elite that I got for $700.  I got the boiler acid dipped to make sure it's nice and clean. Make sure they do that too.  Also don't forget to get new burrs for the SJ as well.
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Posted Mon Dec 30, 2013, 12:00pm
Subject: Re: Help me value this machine/grinder! 98 Rancilio Tecna DE & Super jolly timer
 

I'd say that super jolly isn't worth more than $300 and the machine would be a decent buy at $1k.
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Posted Mon Dec 30, 2013, 12:13pm
Subject: Re: Help me value this machine/grinder! 98 Rancilio Tecna DE & Super jolly timer
 

I live in a market where used 2 group entry and mid level commercial espresso machines are plentiful, so $1500 would be too much for me.  I also wouldn't be interested in dropping more than $200 that SJ...it's several generations old and as part of a bundle it should be valued at less than the market price of a more recent model.  I wouldn't be interested in dropping more than $1000.

If this is for a home, I assume that you have a 220 line and can plumb in and out or use a bottle?  If this is for a business, I would get in touch with a local equipment supplier or a roaster who can offer support and servicing along with a machine.
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Posted Mon Dec 30, 2013, 4:38pm
Subject: Re: Help me value this machine/grinder! 98 Rancilio Tecna DE & Super jolly timer
 

Thanks everyone! I was sort of leaning towards the 1k mark as a max since it will cost about 250-300 to get the machine tuned up and the burr set replaced. I am wondering whether I would be better off getting this setup or keeping the CC1/Vario combo I just ordered. Thoughts?
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Posted Tue Dec 31, 2013, 12:49am
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For home use, you're better off with the latter option. Especially if you wantto be up and running without a hitch.
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Posted Tue Dec 31, 2013, 6:36am
Subject: Re: Help me value this machine/grinder! 98 Rancilio Tecna DE & Super jolly timer
 

If your just brewing for yourself then I'd stick with what you just ordered.  At least you won't have to fiddle with anything + a warranty. :p The CC1 and Vario are good toys.  That Tecna is meant for 200+ espresso's per hour anyways. Would still look cool in a home setting tho.
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