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Cowpoke
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Posted Tue Jan 25, 2005, 2:21pm
Subject: Paper Cup Blues
 

First the good news: today I discovered a new coffee bar here in Miami Beach that actually prepared a well made espresso-based drink. Hooray.

Now the bad news: The barista was on the verge of pouring a couple of nicely extracted shots into a PAPER CUP even after I told her it was "for here".

She remarked that it was their practice to place ALL drinks in paper cups regardless of where the customer was going to enjoy the drink.

Huh?

I take issue with this management's practice on 2 levels:

i) The obvious environmental issue involved (i.e. the fact that material was being needlessly wasted)

ii) I do not enjoy my drinks in paper cups. Give me a ceramic cup, a porcelain cup, a stonware cup, a hollowed out cranium...anything but paper.

A stonware cup and saucer were utilized after I made my preference known.

And I don't like those damned wooden stirrers, either. They affect the taste of the coffee.

So...I was presented a plastic spoon (which I will now have bronzed and placed on my desk).

Guess they just don't like cleaning up after the customer at that joint.

The fun just never ends!


- Neal

Thanks for reading this rant. Quite cathartic.
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Posted Tue Jan 25, 2005, 3:35pm
Subject: Re: Paper Cup Blues
 

Neal,
I'm with you on the paper cup thing.  At our caffe always serve "for here" in ceramic, unless paper is requested.  

One of the places that is probably the best of the local roasters only uses paper cups.  I don't get that.  Why spend years training and $$$$ on great equipment and then serve in paper.  Baffling.

Even when "for here" customers request paper I am silently cringing knowing that they are not getting an entirely quality experience.  

I wish there was some sort of ceramic coated (cost effective) paper cup or something that you could use "to go" that wouldn't add that paper taste to the drink.  Until then...


John
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Posted Thu Feb 10, 2005, 9:18pm
Subject: Re: Paper Cup Blues
 

I was in a (gasp!) S'bux in Delray Beach, FL (Jog Rd. just s. of Morikami) the other day, and I ordered a double decaf ristretto.  The barista there, an older gentleman (about 70, actually young for Delray) surprised me by saying that he could probably pull one but the superautomatic machine they make him use would give lousy crema. So I said, okay, just a regular double.  He asked if I wanted to drink it there, and when I said yes, served it in a prewarmed china cup with saucer!  The first time I've had that happen in a S'bux in years!  (And it was a pretty good shot too).  The S'bux I've been to over the past year or so have been more like assembly lines--most of the baristas can't even pull decent foam, and one told me she couldn't do a double macchiato because she was out of caramel (she had no idea what a real macchiato was, and I had to assure her she *could* fit it into an espresso cup).

 
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Posted Wed May 4, 2005, 3:52pm
Subject: Re: Paper Cup Blues
 

Well, as one who has been known to ask for paper cups in places that have china ones for "here," I have a couple of reasons:

-  the china cups are awfully heavy
-  more importantly, the coffee cools off too fast in the china cups.  I prefer brewed coffee, usually a medium size which is 16 oz.  China cups that size have very wide mouths, and the offee gets cold.  Whereas paper cups have lids and it stays warm for a good long time.  

Is this terribly gauche of me?
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counting
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Posted Tue May 10, 2005, 3:54pm
Subject: Re: Paper Cup Blues
 

Not gauche for coffee if the taste is OK. I doubt that anyplace in the country pre-warms coffee mugs!
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