Can anyone recommend any other places that sell really good quality beans ready to be ground?
I want to do this right as I am getting a Rocky soon and I don't want to be buying crap beans.
I value your opinions.
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firstcrack Senior Member Joined: 14 Apr 2005 Posts: 120 Location: Brisbane Expertise: Pro Roaster
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Posted Thu Apr 21, 2005, 9:13pm Subject: Re: About buying coffee direct from Roasters...
Well I have followed prior posts and I am a roaster and it surprises me that previous comments on coffee being to cheap and the quality at $14+ a kilo is surprising! I have visited the sites in question and it appears totally viable. You may need to consider the following:
They have no factory overheads, store rentals, you (us the customer) pays for freight. There is no free on loan equipment, umberellas etc.., being provided. So taking out all the costs is viable to sell coffee at that price even if it cost them $10 - $11 dollars a kilo to purchase from their contract roaster there margin is still 15% to 20% not bad in anyones language.
regards
peter
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AndyL Senior Member Joined: 31 Dec 2003 Posts: 1,328 Location: australia Expertise: Pro Barista
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Posted Fri Apr 22, 2005, 1:29am Subject: Re: About buying coffee direct from Roasters...
Ok I am a business man first and coffeelover second. Its just makes no sense selling coffee that cheap. No overheads????? are you kidding!!!! Ask alan from coffeeco if he has no overheads. Im sure he does!!! Green beans have just gone up 20 to 30 percent, also you still have to pay rent, the cost of green beans is around 5 dollars, then you lose weight after roasting, there is still labour cost, running cost, mailing the product and then insurance. Insurance is a killer. After HIH and the outragous claims, insurance has gone sky high. 15 to 20 percent margin???? If you asked a bank for a loan for a business and your business plan was on 15percent margin i tell you one thing... You aint getting anything!!!! I smell something, and is aint the smell of good coffee roasting. If it was a great product why does it have to be sooooo cheap. If you sold it for $24 dollars a kg and it was good, us coffeegeeks would still buy it.
firstcrack Senior Member Joined: 14 Apr 2005 Posts: 120 Location: Brisbane Expertise: Pro Roaster
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Posted Fri Apr 22, 2005, 3:12pm Subject: Re: About buying coffee direct from Roasters...
Sorry Mal is still be to differ...
Yes they have overheads BUT having recently gone the process of updating my website and on line shopping store I have and absolute understand of the cost that this involved. The long term management of the site is minimal. Is there target markest cafe owner like yourself or the home and office buyers who at best purchase ther products either form the supermarket or at officeworks at the same time they are buying liquid paper.
I have been roasting coffee for the past 20 years and I am aware of the rise in raw prices that is why I have, and other roaster have passed on price rises to our customers, to maintain the quality of our product!
I pay rent, employ 9 people fulltime, have delivery vans, forklifts, supply free on loan equipment, barriers, umberellas and proivide 24/7 technical service to my 300+ customers around australia... and it costs..... BUT again taking these costs out and selling at those quoted prices still seems ok - subject to quality... however it still amazes me that people pay $26+ for imported coffee that is at best 9 months old and have confidence in it....
dantheristrettoman Senior Member Joined: 17 Oct 2004 Posts: 57 Location: Sydney Expertise: I live coffee
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Posted Fri Apr 22, 2005, 3:47pm Subject: Re: About buying coffee direct from Roasters...
On retail prices a coffee roaster has a profit margin of over 100% (after all costs). People only think $14 is cheap because they are used to paying high rates for retail. Obviously the bigger the company, the higher the costs that are involved (but they hopefully sell a lot more). If this website is relatively small with only a few people involved off $14 they could be making a profit. Maybe they are just trying to establish themselves. Anyway, the difference between a decent robusta and arabica bean is maximum $2 difference. So even if they are selling robusta, they could still be selling arabica for $16.
Peppers Senior Member Joined: 9 Mar 2004 Posts: 91 Location: Melbourne Expertise: I love coffee
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Posted Fri Apr 22, 2005, 3:51pm Subject: Re: About buying coffee direct from Roasters...
Here is another contributor pushing a commercial enterprise without announcing their connection. If you look at the Veneziano website, you'll see that Peter Wolff (Firstcrack) is the roaster at Veneziano.
So just like the person from Coffeehit.com.au this is truly a "Wolff" in Sheeps clothing again !
Please do not use this forum to push your own commercial enterprise, especially if you don't announce your interest in it. Too many contributors seem to be joining lately just to use this forum as an advertising site.
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