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ajohnc
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Posted Thu Sep 1, 2011, 11:52pm
Subject: NO creama from Phil & Sebastian Espresso
 

Hey guys,

I LOVE Phil & Sebastian coffee here in Calgary.

I recently got a Saeco Via Venezia... I de-pressurized it... anyways i got a tamper aswell... i bought a bag of their panama espresso - got them to grind it for espresso machines.... and i could not for the life of me get ANY creama...nothing....so... i went through the whole bag and adjusted my tamping pressure and dose everytime and still no crema. I went to superstore and got a bag of their espresso.... ground it on their machine for espresso and got perfect crema every single time.... sooooo i went back to phil and sebastian and got another bag and got them to grind it finer this time....

Just went through another $17 bag with no crema what so ever....

Is it just their espresso? coz its looking like it...
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Posted Fri Sep 2, 2011, 12:38am
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See, the issue is not tamping pressure, tampers or dose. The issue is that you are trying to make home espresso with a pre ground product. You need to have the versatility of a grinder alongside your machine in order to properly pull a shot of espresso. End of story.

A secondary, less important issue is that crema is not actually a hallmark of quality. It's a result of a combination of variables, including varietal and species of coffee, freshness, etc. Robusta (a coffee widely considered unsuitable for specialty coffee) actually contributes more to crema than Arabica coffees due to differences in chemistry between the two species. A low grade grocery store coffee could very well be a Robusta blend, thus the crema.

 
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Posted Fri Sep 2, 2011, 5:03am
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Hi Peter,

Thanks for your reply.

I agree with the grinder and that its needed... however i only have a $200 budget (at the moment) am i able to get a good burr grinder for that....or would i be best getting a hand driven grinder?

Thanks
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Posted Fri Sep 2, 2011, 8:27am
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Hi Ash,

I'm contacting you offline with a solution.
A belated Welcome to the Coffeegeek Forums! {;-)

See this thread please: "Grinder for Aeropress"

 
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