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Posted Sat Oct 25, 2008, 6:10am
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You can view this article by following this link.  (Registration may be required; I don't know.)

I'm still reading it, so I have no comments on it yet.

 
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Posted Sat Oct 25, 2008, 6:17am
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Here's my favorite quote from the article:

“What you see going on now is a de- Starbuckification, if you will,” said Suzanne Wasserman, a food historian who is director of the Gotham Center for New York City History. “People are yearning for authenticity.”

Oh, how the mighty rigid have fallen.

 
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Posted Sat Oct 25, 2008, 8:45am
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I wouldn't be so quick to count out Starbucks yet.  There are a whole lot of things they can still do to fix their situation.  Those Clovers aren't paperweights and they are sourcing better coffees - not great yet, but better.

Overall a good article.  Having been misquoted a bunch of times by journalists myself, I'm wondering what Daniel's full quote was along with the context.  

And as far as that last line, as long as the Food Museum woman also believes a $5 beer or wine is also extortion, more power to her.  But you've got no credibility if you think X is overpriced while Y isn't when the what you're paying for is the ingredient quality and the expertise to produce something delicious from it.  That's exactly the thinking that's held NY (and many other cities) back for so long.  Maybe she should be a museum exhibit herself.
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Posted Sat Oct 25, 2008, 10:07am
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I'm certainly not counting Starbucks out.  They might actually continue to transform themselves into something more appreciable, instead of insisting that they know what's best for me or what the best really is.  I'm merely enjoying them reaping the result of their profit-focused arrogance from the past few years.  "Hmmm, maybe we do need to change some things here..."  Starbucks is going to have to step things up, since many the customers they have educated have now graduated to Higher Learning.  Or opened up some challenging competition.

People feel that more-than-a-dollar coffee is extortion merely because price is the driving factor for most people, since they all taste bad anyway-- or sometimes, people can't taste the difference, or don't care.  As long as the dollar coffee is available (along with those "Greek" blue paper cups!) for those who want it, I have no problem having the $2.50 double espresso and the $4 latte as well.  Then each side can sniff at the other and everyone is happy.

 
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Posted Wed Oct 29, 2008, 5:28pm
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Yeah, the last line of that article had me scratching my head. Last time I checked, there was a Starbucks every other block in Manhattan, and their drip definitely costs more than a dollar.

 
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