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La Valentina - Erik Daniels's Review
Posted: December 20, 2009, 4:02pm
review rating: 8.5
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Dan Kehn 9.55
Erik Daniels 8.50
Ken O 8.42
Random Person 8.37
Dave Brown 7.42

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Ratings and Stats Overall Rating: 8.6
Manufacturer: Ala di Vittoria Quality: 8
Average Price: $1,200.00 Usability: 8
Price Paid: $950.00 Cost vs. Value 10
Where Bought: used/private party Aesthetics 9
Owned for: 3 months Overall 8
Writer's Expertise: I love coffee Would Buy Again: Yes
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Bottom Line: This is a great all around workhorse with rugged good looks and plenty of power to handle all your espresso needs.
Positive Product Points

The Valentina has ample steam power and a sturdy E61 group head. The controls are easy to use and the machine is capable of making multiple drinks without recovery time.

Negative Product Points

I would like the drip tray to have the possibility of a drain hose without having to cut/modify it. The reservoir was way too small for my needs; I had to refill every day or two, making 20 drinks a week on average. It's a minor issue, but I would have liked to see the drip tray extend about 1/2" further out.

Detailed Commentary

After using a Starbucks Barista (Estro Vapore) consistently for about 5 or 6 years, it was time for an upgrade. I make at least 20 lattes a week, and make drinks for party guests and the like.  I wanted a machine that could easily handle my latte needs and do it quickly. I knew the machines I was looking at would all make superior drinks compared to my old machine, so that was less an issue.

I initially settled on the Valentina, Bezzera BZ02, Vivaldi and the Astoria one group machine. I wanted a semi-auto machine with the ability to be plumbed. I bought my Valentina used on a popular online auction site and took delivery soon thereafter. I would have preferred the semi-auto machine as opposed to the automatic version I got, but I was buying used. I paid roughly half MSRP, a price I was happy with.

The time it took to get used to the controls and power of the machine took less than a week. I had prior experience with large commercial machines, so this machine worked as expected. I had to fill the small reservoir every day or two, which got old after a week. The low water sensor worked fine, but I grew tired of sliding out the 65lb machine in order to fill the reservoir.

I bought a specific plumbing kit from 1st-Line and installed it myself. They warned me it was a bit tricky, and it was. I'm mechanically inclined and had the proper tools, but I still had some issues. Like many things mechanical, I could install it correctly in half the time if I were to do it again. My contact at 1st-Line was excellent and patient. He spent way more time helping me out than I probably deserved, and won a customer for life. Now the machine is plumbed and I never have to fill that reservoir again!

I learned to steam and brew at the same time, and still do. Some will say not to do this on an HX machine, but it works for me. I do it mainly because I'm in a rush to make my drinks in the morning before I leave for work, and my drinks taste quite good. The steam power is ample and I can steam 12 oz of milk in less than a minute. I have noticed that steam power fades after I steam and brew, but it recovers to full power after 30 seconds or so. My steam wand came with a two hole tip and I like it, but am contemplating getting a four hole tip.

The E61 group head is nice and makes consistently good espresso, as long as I give it a cooling flush before each brew cycle. I used the 'water dance' method and measured the output so now I just flush without the portafilter. For my machine, it's 8oz of flush. I have the automatic version, but I never use the programmed buttons. I use the manual (*) button and stop brewing at 2oz, or when it starts to blonde, whichever comes first.

After a month or so, I had my routine down. Remove portafilter, wipe clean and dose while I do the cooling flush into an 8oz coffee cup. I can get the portafilter dosed and tamped before the cooling flush is over so when the flush is done, I dump the water and lock the portafilter in place. A quick purge of the steam wand and I start to steam my milk. I hit the brew button (manual=*) after about 10 seconds of steaming. The milk finishes steaming and the espresso is done brewing at roughly the same time, then I combine in my cup. I don't plan on upgrading to another machine, unless I win the lottery.

Buying Experience

I bought used from a private party, and was pleased with the process. The seller was honest and easy to communicate with. I bought the plumbing kit from 1st-Line, and have to give them much praise for their superior customer service. They went above and beyond the call of duty to help me out with the plumbing kit. They also carry replacement parts.

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